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To: AntiGuv
Someone explain to me why losing the freedom to hire a highly skilled immigrant who wants to come here legally and work for me on mutually acceptable terms is somehow in my rational self-interest. It isn't. To the contrary, it is yet one more example of government (even a government presently controlled by Republicans) moving one methodical step at a time towards more socialism and less capitalism and freedom.
33 posted on 09/22/2003 12:41:37 PM PDT by kesg
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To: kesg
Someone explain to me why losing the freedom to hire a highly skilled immigrant who wants to come here legally and work for me on mutually acceptable terms is somehow in my rational self-interest. It isn't.

During economic growth, I would agree with you. But we need to protect American citizens and the economy during troubled times. Not to worry, I'm sure you will once again be able to exploit intelligent people who have had the misfortune of living in a poor nation- once the economy fully rebounds.

38 posted on 09/22/2003 12:45:43 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe
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To: kesg
Your rational self-interest would tell you that there are fewer cultural barriers to surmount with hiring your own countrymen. It would also tell you that trust and security are greater with your countrymen than with new immigrants. If you don't have even a basic loyalty or concern for your country, your rational self-interest would tell you to run fast, because the angry mobs of exploited workers are coming to burn down your immigration import house.
44 posted on 09/22/2003 12:51:10 PM PDT by =Intervention= ( When you vote your own principles, there's always a winner -- YOU.)
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To: kesg
When the law that allowed them to come here "legally" is dubious at best. The premise of the H1B was that there were not enough skilled american workers to fill the jobs, so we HAVE to let in foreigners who have no ties to this country, have no interest in immigrating, but only want to hit the lotto fora few years and go back to india to live off their spoils afterward....

Unfortunately this was never true, there was never a high tech worker shortage, and frankly the H1B program helped cause the economic tech downturn to be even worse than it needed to be.

Immigrants are more than welcome, come here, and become an american... but that was not the goal of any of the H1Bs.
45 posted on 09/22/2003 12:53:05 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: kesg
Because people came to work here in the United States during the dot.com hey day and then took jobs for less money than the Americans who do the same job. Therefore, Americans got laid off and foreigners got to stay and do their jobs. Now go home and stay home!

I know of lots of jobs that are being done overseas by these people and they are doing a crappy job because there is no American quality control person watching over them. So, people receiving the code or the testing results are complaining big time because defects are not being caught. They seem to get lazier when they are in their own countries doing the work.

54 posted on 09/22/2003 1:01:07 PM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: kesg
Someone explain to me why losing the freedom to hire a highly skilled immigrant who wants to come here legally and work for me on mutually acceptable terms is somehow in my rational self-interest.

Because H1B is a pack of lies.
111 posted on 09/22/2003 2:08:15 PM PDT by johnb838 (Deconstruct the Left)
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To: kesg
This is not about just one person or a few people coming into the country to work. It's about (in this post 195,000)
people to be reduced to 65,000. It's not about (me) all of the time. It's about you and your business having responsibility to the citizens of the U.S. that helped you in more ways that you even know or want to confess to. It's about giving back to the community. It's about those that are in your community to be able to work and pay taxes so that you and them can have a safe and protected community to live in by having schools, hospitals, police, and firemen. If the U.S. citizen can not find work and has to have some type of Gov. assistance, how can any of this stay in place. The short sighted American Business people are always asking the same question that you are. But the successful business people ask themselves this. If the american people don't have the money to buy my goods because they are out of work, who is going to buy my goods. Let's see, if I give Americans work, they will have money to buy, a ready market, no need to make a market-money saved. Less taxes that I have to pay because there are more people to pay taxes- money saved. A feeling of being safer- money saved on insurance (crime rate down). An overall good feeling that (I) help do this. Not the other way around. Higher taxes, neighborhood going bad, loss of business, may have to move or go out of business because of WHAT! BAD ECONOMY! It's NOT MY FAULT! IT'S THE GOVERNMENTS! Yes I think that everyone who has a business should give Americans work if they can. No longer can Americans think and say what's in it for (ME). It has to be What's in it for (US). I'm retired now, however, I was taught when I was a teenager that if you make it here try to spend it here. That's what makes towns, cities, communities and countries strong. That Mr./Ms. IS in your best interest.
113 posted on 09/22/2003 2:13:08 PM PDT by AIC
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