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To: kesg
Someone explain to me why losing the freedom to hire a highly skilled immigrant who wants to come here legally and work for me on mutually acceptable terms is somehow in my rational self-interest. It isn't.

During economic growth, I would agree with you. But we need to protect American citizens and the economy during troubled times. Not to worry, I'm sure you will once again be able to exploit intelligent people who have had the misfortune of living in a poor nation- once the economy fully rebounds.

38 posted on 09/22/2003 12:45:43 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe
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To: Lunatic Fringe
we need to protect American citizens and the economy during troubled times

Until "Fair Trade" is a reality, we MUST protect. Not "working toward" fair trade, or "we expect" fair trade, but "not until" we have fair trade should we allow free access to foreign nationals.

I think foreign exchange has become a way for the government to provide foreign aid (they love to buy friends, too bad it never works) without having to raise or justify taxes to pay for it. They know the people don't like these foreign bribes very much.
112 posted on 09/22/2003 2:11:47 PM PDT by johnb838 (Deconstruct the Left)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
During economic growth, I would agree with you.

Hey, let them eat cake.

157 posted on 09/22/2003 3:54:43 PM PDT by itsahoot (Article III Section 2 U.S. Constitution)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
You missed the best part. According to Mr. Patrick Duffy (esq.), Human Resources Attorney for Intel Corporation. We poor stupid American "High-Tech" workers "Lack the Education and Talent" to help a company like Intel compete globally. Hmmmm, lets think about this for a moment. Obviously Mr. Duffy doesn't think too highly of an education system, that he himself is a product of.

That being said, if we (American High-Tech) workers being products of that same
"Education System" lack the Education and Skills to compete. How does Mr. Duffy compete. Obviously Mr. Duffy doesn't lack the "Talant" an "EdukayShun" to realize that his statements should be applied to attorneys as well.

Perhaps Mr. Duffy and all those really smart (Asian Sub-continent) people over at Intel should get up off there "Seven or Eight Figured" duffs and go to a local K-12 school and make some suggestions about how to improve this system, or better yet dig into an offshore account of two and toss a buck or two towards an inner-city school. Oh my gosh, how about putting a billion or two into a couple or three of college funds (None Ivy League, of course) that will make it easier for "American Youth" to get a excellent education and compete globally.

What really gets my "Jockeys in a Wad" is to have these
"Attorneys" talk about this and as usual say "We can pay the H1B holders less to do the same job as you do".
Of course this can't be admitted too, that would be illegal and Mr. Duffy knows the law.
Well, Mr. Duffy and Company, the last time I checked a single family home in this country averaged around $186,000. In India the average is about Rs 70,000 and Rs 80,000 for those who can afford it ( Of course this implies which class you are in). Maybe that's why we "American" IT workers as well as everyone else want to make a reasonable bit of cash.

But what would I know about all this "High Falutin" stuff. I'm just an "Talent Lacking" High-Tech person with about 27 years of Hard-Core experience, that's had to take a 30% cut in my salary just to keep my "Piddly-ass Job" from being taken to Phoon India to be done by some really smart people that are really Well Educated and Talented. Funny I've been doing this job, pretty darned good over the past years, for all of a sudden to be Un-Talented and Un-Educated.
219 posted on 09/22/2003 11:22:09 PM PDT by Realistic_in_the_SW
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