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Posted on 09/22/2003 11:55:34 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
For about a month now, there has been a tit for tat disagreement here about who to vote for in the 2003 Recall Election. A number of people have supported Tom McClintock's candidacy faithfully here. Just about everyone else stated they would vote for Tom if he was viable, but would vote for Schwarzenegger if Tom couldn't get his numbers up.
This has led to some heated debates, even among friends here. Even if Tom was losing the battle, they thought loyalty to him and his policies trumped everything else. Look, I don't necessarily frown upon that, except where it may facilitate the likes of Cruz Bustamante being elected instead of Tom's opponent.
Even here a number of the McClintock supporters have disagreed. Over the last month there have been literally hundreds if not thousands of anti-Schwarzenegger posts. If the same article could be found from different sources with the exact same wording, the McClintock camp made sure every one of them were posted here at least once, if not multiple times. Do a search for anti-Schwarzenegger articles. Then do a search for anti-Bustamante articles. Then do a search for anti-McClintock articles. It will become clear who has had an agenda to drive here.
The argument that Cruz Bustamante might be the beneficiary of the McClintock camps tactics has been dismissed by them. It is said constantly here that Schwarzenegger would make a worse governor than Bustamante. One person told me that Bustamante wasn't really all that bad. Okay... I didn't and still don't agree with this, but if this is truly how McClintock supporters see this, there is something they can do about it.
Look, there's one option out there that is perfectly suited for the McClintock supporters. Tom is now at 14% in the polls. If his supporters are able to understand that a little over 1/8th of the vote won't win it, then they may want to consider this. If they vote "No" on the recall, then "Bustamante", they'll achieve the victory of blocking Arnold Schwarzenegger from becoming California's next governor. After all, that seems to be the worst case scenario for them.
I suppose folks will think of this as a slam, but I don't think it should be viewed that way. If they truly think Schwarzenegger is the worst possible candidate among the three, this is a sure-fire way to make sure he doesn't get in. Even a few percentage points thrown to Cruz by Tom's people should lock Arnold out. And that's the main goal here, let's be honest.
Evidently it is something worthy of consideration for McClintock folks. Why leave this to chance by voting for Tom and risk Schwarzenegger getting in anyway. Put your vote where your mouths have been. Just let your conviction be your guide and make sure Arnold Schwarzenegger doesn't get in. Vote "No" and "Bustamante".
By your actions, you folks seem to agree this is conservatism's best choice this time around. If you do, then go for it. Don't leave California's future to fate.
Or better yet, just simply No on the recall. (Like Sen. Feinstein.)
Im sorry but you are a jackass for writing this.
Polls are not much better, going back to Dewey and Truman in 1948.
If Tombots argue McClintock is the principled choice, perhaps you can try looking at that from an Arnold supporter perspective for chinks in logic.
Once the recall became fact, it became necessary to follow through with it.
(Name Deleted), I told you so. The man is not your friend. If you think an Arnold Board of Forestry will make a difference, you are mistaken. Besides, the Water Quality Control Board is now the lead agency on all timber harvests. Things are going to get worse, much worse.
I posted on a similar thread last night, and what do you know there were zero responses from the pro-Arnold people. Maybe it hit too close to home. I'll repeat it here for their interest: ;-)
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with what?
Um, Arnold, Mr. Fiscal Conservative sir, the State of California is BROKE. Oh but I guess more debt is just what your not-so-special very special interest investors, uh, contributors would like to see: Higher rates of return on more expensive bonds.
This is nothing more than stupid posturing for ignorant voters that pleases the crooked greens (especially those representing natural gas interests). Those offshore oil wells in the Santa Barbara Channel actually reduce natural oil seepage that the Chumash indians used to coat their boat bottoms. Cabrillo described the cliffs off Santa Barbara as black with oil. The revenues from those wells built the modern University of California campus system. Oh and BTW, DO, I said that this was stupid destructive pandering when Bill Simon proposed it too (wouldn't want to be mischaracterized as inconsistent you know).
If taking RFKJr onto his team is what he calls environmentalism, Arnold's just as bad as Davis, maybe worse if he follows Wilson's example.
Ahh, but canceling oil production will please the Eastern liberals who live for energy shortages! Oh thank you Arnold for joining with the likes of the NRDC! Um, DO, you did know that RFKJr was a co-director on the New York League of Conservation Voters which was modeled after the NRDC, and is co-director with one of NRDC's founders, didn't you?
In case you didn't know DO, for twenty-five years NRDC has been an indispensible player in creating the shortage in electrical generating capacity in California. They were instrumental in shutting down Rancho Seco (980 MW). And what do you know but John Bryson, one of NRDC's founding attorneys is now CEO of Edison International, and one of Gray Davis' biggest campaign donors.
What a coincidence! Is that what "moderate" means?
Well there's more. The dirty little secret in all this fuel cell garbage (and that's what it is until they get much further along with hybrid cars and stationary applications), is that it will please no end those international mining interests that got Bubba to lock up California's rare-earth mineral wealth worth tens, if not HUNDREDS of billions of dollars to this State will now get top dollar for their third whirled mineral production. Then there's the coming regulatory takedown of small farmers using water quality regulations to convert that land to all the new houses in the Valley you'll get to build under EPA attainment numbers Arnold's friends think they're going to meet with those fuel cell cars.
Arnold, why not promote broadband telecommuting to cut the driving instead? You wouldn't have to spend money, just cut the regulatory crap that gets in their way. Isn't that what would help Silicon Valley? It would help parents spend more time with their kids... but then who would use all those State daycare centers?
Anybody who supports Arnold thinking that he would be better than Davis or Bustamante should heed these words: to these small landowners, there is virtually no difference. When Arnold yells "punish polluters" you have to realize that a lot of the "pollution" is a wild fantasy based upon bogus science. A lot of it is totally unconstitutional 303(d) TMDL regulation for silt. They stop foresters from cutting to prevent silt and in the process GUARANTEE that there will be fires and subsequent massive releases of topsoil and... silt. The system is a crooked maze of takings that benefits only big resource corporations because they have the muscle to survive the onslaught and developers who get to build their rural eco-dachas on the leavings. There's a reason that there are only two major timber corporations left in California, Simpson and Sierra Pacific. It's no cooincidence that those two companies are directly represented on the Board of Forestry, as it was under Wilson.
If this is truly the belief of people who post things like this, they should thank me, not damn me for suggesting what I have.
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