Jobless Rate Worse Than the Headlines Say

azcentral.com ^ | 9-22-03 | Justin Bachman

[varon]

There's always decent money in driving an 18 wheeler.

And haul what, illegals from Texas to NJ?

[varon]

Even 9.1% is not bad when compared to the rest of the Western Industralized Countries. Germany has 5.5 million out of work in a population of 85 million people.

In my book Germany's 5.5 million out of 85 million looks like a 6.5% unemployment and compared to 9.1% looks pretty darn good.

[null and void]

You forgot that there is a third mode - Latin American style oligarcy. If the voters want to extract some real consessions from the owning class, they will be deprived of power to vote, either openly or in a disguised form.

Ask me about that later today. After we find out if we're allowed to vote on a recall. Our "betters" are thinking it over.

Disguise? We don't need no steenking disguise...

[null and void]

There is a certain minimal amount of work the employees are expected to do before involving upper management.

Wasting the big boss' time when a few phone calls could filter out the gross liers isn't acceptable.

[Scott from the Left Coast]

Indeed that is true.

It is amazing to me how cavalier people are on this thread about lying...in this case on a resume (or an application, if that is what they are talking about).

Lies are not that difficult to detect, if one makes any attempt at all to find the truth.

If I am interviewing a man approaching 50, who is well-spoken, neat and uses the language decently, and who doesn't appear to be a refugee from a detox center, am I going to believe that he's worked as a file clerk for 30 years? Hell no, I'm going to know that he is lying to me -- or at least expect it. The very fact that I think he's lying to me about something is going to lose that person any further opportunity at whatever job he was applying for -- people don't even want lying "burger flippers".

[Jumper]

You would have to understand that Germany's entire population is not considered employable:) One of the finer points, I might add. Over 20% of population is not working and over 55 years old - in a few years they will too address this problem by requiring their citizens to work until 62 years of age (about 6% between 55-62 years old).

[Jumper]

Vote democrat and hope they will give you benefits while scraping the corporations who provide the jobs. Governments of the people in the Republican venue is different from the democrat vision of "buy the people":) While the current republican policy is not what "everyone" would like, I'll take it over the democrat plan any day.

[familyofman]

"Give me an answer for my son, please."

Start early and win the race to the bottom. Be an example for all your friends and neighbors on how to succeed without trying.

[buwaya]

Only about 50% of the 85 Million Germans are workers.

So that is a rate of 12%+ going by that measure.

[buwaya]

Curious - We have many well-spoken, neat, 50+ male workers in our company who are not in management, nor do they have advanced degrees. They are in phone tech support, mechanics, technicians, computer operators, ad infinitum.

You have some stereotypes I think.

[MEGoody]

Gee, maybe we should just work a 'downturn' in productivity? The American people don't seem too interested in that economic tidbit.

[MEGoody]

"How do I argue?"

Tell him if he doesn't go to college, he doesn't live at home. Then ask him how he plans to pay for rent, utilities, food, clothes. . . .

[MEGoody]

If you lie on a resume or in a job interview and you end up getting hired based on that lie, then you are cheating the employer by not having the experience you said you had. Deceit is always wrong.

Mark 7: 21-22 For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man 'unclean.' "

[Scott from the Left Coast]

Give it a rest. That wasn't the point at all.

[MeneMeneTekelUpharsin]

No, the Bible does NOT condone white lies. And, sometimes you die for telling the truth (Jesus did.). Ananias and Sapphira (sp?) lied about the amount of money they received for land as a donation to the church. Both died.

[onemoreday]

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....ME...
.........you say:

".........Tell him if he doesn't go to college, he doesn't live at home. Then ask him how he plans to pay for rent, utilities, food, clothes. . . ."
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Do you mean....
"......just tell him that unless the father is wealthy, the off-spring is just basically an economic slave....and that all idealism has been "co-opted" by the politicians and those interests whom they represent....

.......and don't question WHY the economic conditions are as they are......some people have become "conservative", some people have become "liberal", but all were fooled and are now basically powerless......

........just survive as best you can without being or becoming "revolutionary"....

.....that is, do what I have done......."

Isn't this really, our ONLY message to ALL children?

[MEGoody]

"Isn't this really, our ONLY message to ALL children?"

LOL That might be the message you wish to pass on to YOUR children.

[onemoreday]

.....
.....ME....
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OBVIOUSLY...

...my "message" isn't the desirable one.....yet, THERE IS a "message" that the youth-of-America is recieving......and it is coming from ALL OF US, (not just from each set of parents to their own children.)

So, I, (and I am sure many others here) would like to hear from you or others as to what that "message" actually is.


One can only assume that your previous advice is the one that you would call the "national message"......

......and it is one that I not only see being rejected, but YES, it is one that I would assume a free people would want to see being rejected...

.....and that my "re-stating" of it has validity.

However, what is important here is for an open discussion of OUR message to our children to be undertaken, and I readily concede that my ideas are open to change, and that I would appreciate other points-of-view.....

....(the starting point was:
WHAT DO WE TELL OUR CHILDREN WHEN THEY SAY...."THERE ARE NO JOBS OUT THERE")

[null and void]

Mow a lawn?

[onemoreday]

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Certainly yours is a valid "message", (not just on the surface but in its deeper implications.)

And yet, i think many children would be disappointed in its "fatalism"...

....for it doesn't address the issue of WHY there are no jobs out there, or more succinctly, WHY WE ADULTS HAVE ALLOWED FOR THERE TO BE...no jobs out there.

Also, it doesn't really answer their main question, which would be something like..."WHAT, REALLY, IS A "JOB?"

Also, it would seem, they wonder why there seems to be no place for the idealism that is common currency for all youth, and that besides "role models" of very little worth or moral stature, there are no real "heros" , or, as they might put it, "proud Warriors" amongst the people who establish the "tone" for the society.

They intuitively know "liberalism" is wrong; however, besides hearing that "conservatives" value "VALUES"....they seem to be questioning, (and with few answers) exactly what we are talking about.

And, I would tend to agree with them.

And so, the very real and cogent questions remain...in that our children remain......"out there"

and it isn't really a very "nice" place to be!!!