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To: NormsRevenge; EggsAckley; DoughtyOne
Eggs, I told you so. The man is not your friend. If you think an Arnold Board of Forestry will make a difference, you are mistaken. Besides, the Water Quality Control Board is now the lead agency on all timber harvests. Things are going to get worse, much worse.

I posted on a similar thread last night, and what do you know there were zero responses from the pro-Arnold people. Maybe it hit too close to home. I'll repeat it here for their interest: ;-)

Arnold can't wait to tell us what kind of governor he really would be! He wants to buy back the oil leases from the feds...

er...

with what?

Um, Arnold, Mr. Fiscal Conservative sir, the State of California is BROKE. Oh but I guess more debt is just what your not-so-special very special interest investors, uh, contributors would like to see: Higher rates of return on more expensive bonds.

This is nothing more than stupid posturing for ignorant voters that pleases the crooked greens (especially those representing natural gas interests). Those offshore oil wells in the Santa Barbara Channel actually reduce natural oil seepage that the Chumash indians used to coat their boat bottoms. Cabrillo described the cliffs off Santa Barbara as black with oil. The revenues from those wells built the modern University of California campus system. Oh and BTW, DO, I said that this was stupid destructive pandering when Bill Simon proposed it too (wouldn't want to be mischaracterized as inconsistent you know).

If taking RFKJr onto his team is what he calls environmentalism, Arnold's just as bad as Davis, maybe worse if he follows Wilson's example.

Ahh, but canceling oil production will please the Eastern liberals who live for energy shortages! Oh thank you Arnold for joining with the likes of the NRDC! Um, DO, you did know that RFKJr was a co-director on the New York League of Conservation Voters which was modeled after the NRDC, and is co-director with one of NRDC's founders, didn't you?

In case you didn't know DO, for twenty-five years NRDC has been an indispensible player in creating the shortage in electrical generating capacity in California. They were instrumental in shutting down Rancho Seco (980 MW). And what do you know but John Bryson, one of NRDC's founding attorneys is now CEO of Edison International, and one of Gray Davis' biggest campaign donors.

What a coincidence! Is that what "moderate" means?

Well there's more. The dirty little secret in all this fuel cell garbage (and that's what it is until they get much further along with hybrid cars and stationary applications), is that it will please no end those international mining interests that got Bubba to lock up California's rare-earth mineral wealth worth tens, if not HUNDREDS of billions of dollars to this State will now get top dollar for their third whirled mineral production. Then there's the coming regulatory takedown of small farmers using water quality regulations to convert that land to all the new houses in the Valley you'll get to build under EPA attainment numbers Arnold's friends think they're going to meet with those fuel cell cars.

Arnold, why not promote broadband telecommuting to cut the driving instead? You wouldn't have to spend money, just cut the regulatory crap that gets in their way. Isn't that what would help Silicon Valley? It would help parents spend more time with their kids... but then who would use all those State daycare centers?

The type of regulation Arnold's advisors advocate destroys small resource landowners: farmers, forest landowners, and ranchers, the bedrock of the conservative Republican Party.

Anybody who supports Arnold thinking that he would be better than Davis or Bustamante should heed these words: to these small landowners, there is virtually no difference. When Arnold yells "punish polluters" you have to realize that a lot of the "pollution" is a wild fantasy based upon bogus science. A lot of it is totally unconstitutional 303(d) TMDL regulation for silt. They stop foresters from cutting to prevent silt and in the process GUARANTEE that there will be fires and subsequent massive releases of topsoil and... silt. The system is a crooked maze of takings that benefits only big resource corporations because they have the muscle to survive the onslaught and developers who get to build their rural eco-dachas on the leavings.

There's a reason that there are only two major timber corporations left in California, Simpson and Sierra Pacific. It's no cooincidence that those two companies are directly represented on the Board of Forestry, as it was under Wilson.

8 posted on 09/22/2003 7:46:30 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (California! See how low WE can go!)
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To: Carry_Okie
I know you're going to think this is a snide pot-shot, and although I support Schwarzenegger, this does seem to be your best bet so here goes.

At 14% McClintock is dead meat. Whether you wish to face the fact or not, he is not going to be elected. Since most of you have already made it perfectly clear you'd rather have Bustamante than Schwarzenegger, I would suggest you folks vote "no", then Bustamante.

You'll definately prevent Schwarzenegger from being elected. Instead of just flirting with the idea by voting for Tom, just go ahead and vote for Cruz and sew up the decision and quit leaving it to chance.

I'll disagree with this, but I do believe it makes sense from the McClintock camp's perspective.
19 posted on 09/22/2003 11:18:19 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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