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To: adamyoshida
If Moslems can't serve because they're really working for Islam, then you might as well say Jews can't serve because they're really working for Israel, and Catholics can't serve because they're really working for the Vatican.
7 posted on 09/21/2003 7:19:52 PM PDT by findingtruth
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To: findingtruth
If Moslems can't serve because they're really working for Islam, then you might as well say Jews can't serve because they're really working for Israel, and Catholics can't serve because they're really working for the Vatican.

What kind of childish poppycock is this?

12 posted on 09/21/2003 7:33:00 PM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: findingtruth; CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
If Moslems can't serve because they're really working for Islam, then you might as well say Jews can't serve because they're really working for Israel, and Catholics can't serve because they're really working for the Vatican.

Dude---Catholics and Jews are not at war with whites, Catholics, Jews and protestants and have not sworn allegiance to a creed to kill them, nor flown airplanes into buildings containing them.

19 posted on 09/21/2003 7:48:28 PM PDT by gg188
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To: findingtruth
I think its intolerant of us infidels not to be murdered by the murderous mind control cults who are culturally predisposed to murder us, therefore, mosloms, scientologists and democratics should all be allowed to serve and undermine.

If they end up killing us and destroying our country, we should be tolerant of it. Because that's what Marx would say to do.

All three murderous mind control cults say defending the Constitution of the United States is against the Constitution of the United States. Three diverse populations of psychotics can't be wrong.
41 posted on 09/21/2003 9:08:11 PM PDT by Duke Nukum ([T]he only true mystery is that our very lives are governed by dead people.)
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To: findingtruth
Islam lesson for the day:

The Ask The Imam and Islam Q&A sites tell the muslim followers of Islam that they are not to fight against muslims or Islamic nations. Did anyone tell American Christians (or more specifically, Catholics) that they couldn't shoot facist Italians, Germans, etc in WWII because they shared a common religion?

Here is one such question from Ask The Imam regarding the "loyalty oath" one takes when becoming a US citizen:

Is it allowed to obtain United States Citizenship so that travelling for deen becomes easier?

They require you to promise to bear arms for the country. The oath of allegiance is as follows:

The Oath of Allegiance I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.

If they require or ask you to bear arms against a muslim country, what should be the response. Their laws are against 4 marraige law of Islaam. Does the pledge cause any "Ilhaad" or any such anti-islamic view? Please answer according to Hanafi Fiqh.

Answer:

1. If your intention is solely to facilitate easier travel, you are permitted to obtain US citizenship. Although the oath of allegiance is un-Islamic in nature, it will not be treated as an 'Islamic oath'. Therefore, you are not compelled to execute the oath. [ the oath is just words, say them but don't uphold them... ]

2. If you are called up to bear arms against Muslims, you are not permitted to do so by Islamic law. [ can you find this type of statement made by leaders of other religions? ]

3. The pledge does not constitute Ilhaad.

Mufti Muhammad Kadwa
FATWA DEPT.

CHECKED AND APPROVED CORRECT: Mufti Ebrahim Desai


48 posted on 09/21/2003 9:30:17 PM PDT by weegee
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To: findingtruth
If Moslems can't serve because they're really working for Islam, then you might as well say Jews can't serve because they're really working for Israel, and Catholics can't serve because they're really working for the Vatican.

wrong analysis. Islam has declared the intent to wipe out all other cultures and peoples. Catholicism has now rejected that course in the last 300 years, after centuries of assuming that was it's mission. Judaism has only ever asked to be left alone, not looking to convert or "save" anyone else. They've got their deal and they want to keep it that way.

the better analogy is to ask would it be OK to exclude NAZIs from service during WW2, or Communists during the cold war?

70 posted on 09/22/2003 4:36:24 AM PDT by Phsstpok
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To: findingtruth
If Moslems can't serve because they're really working for Islam, then you might as well say Jews can't serve because they're really working for Israel, and Catholics can't serve because they're really working for the Vatican.

To draw moral equivalency between the actions of Jews and Christians and the actions of Islam is ridiculous.
73 posted on 09/22/2003 6:05:22 AM PDT by Agitate ("You will know the truth, and the truth will make you mad")
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