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The mills of Xenu grind exceeding(ly) slow (Scientology)
the inquirer ^ | 9-12-03 | Wendy M. Grossman

Posted on 09/21/2003 12:39:16 PM PDT by TomB

IT WAS WITH some astonishment that I read this week that a Dutch court ruled on September 4 that writer Karin Spaink could keep the Scientology materials on her Web site. The original case, in which this is the third ruling, began in the Pleistocene era in Internet terms – nine years ago. I had no idea it was still doing the Jarndyce vs. Jarndyce thing.

I spent much of 1994 – when the Web was Usenet, the king was CompuServe, and the browsers were all Mosaic – reading the newsgroup alt.religion.scientology, which I spotted while wandering around Usenet looking for things to write about. I figured the then-prevailing demographic of Netheads – sf fans, iconoclasts, science students – would have an, er, interesting time arguing with Scientologists. The details of the "flame war with real bullets" were published in Wired.

Spaink's particular part of Scientology versus the Net was fairly typical of the time. Budding Scientologists pay for each level of enlightenment they achieve. Eventually, as they reach the highest level, the materials they study are secret -- it is said that the contents could damage or even kill the insufficiently prepared. One of the key skeletons of contention between Scientology and the Net, therefore, was the fact that members of the newsgroup began posting some of these documents, effectively putting the contents in the public domain. Some interesting technology was developed in the quest to keep the documents available online: a specialized search engine that would find them, wherever they were on any given day as they moved from host to host. In any event, the CoS began issuing cease-and-desist letters and suing anyone who posted these documents openly. Many, of course, used the pioneering Finnish anonymous mailserver, anon.penet.f.

But the fact is that these documents were already available openly through at least one source: a court in California where a disaffected Scientologist, Lawrence Fishman, had read them into the record of his 1993 case. The Fishman affidavit, as it's known, was public record for two years, until the Church of Scientology succeeded in getting it sealed on the grounds that it contained "trade secrets" – that is, the secret documents. Spaink has links to both the affidavit and a summary of and quotes from other secret documents known as OT-II and OT-III (OT stands for "Operating Thetan"). Three Dutch courts in nine years have now ruled that it is legal for Spaink to post these materials on her site and that neither she nor her ISPs are guilty of copyright infringement. Scientology is required to pay her legal costs.

"The courts damned Scientology for the secrecy surrounding OT2 and OT3." Spaink posted to alt.religion.scientology shortly after the September 4 ruling, "and says that Scientology – which they call an 'organisation', not a 'church' – uses that secrecy to wield power over its members, and furthermore states that Scientology is attempting to overthrow democratic values."

Because most of what's being written now about copyright and the Net focuses on music and the RIAA's prosecution of 12-year-old girls (to be followed in another year or two by the same stories about TV shows and movies) it's easy to forget that Scientology was the first to litigate in this particular area.

It was Scientology that first went after ISPs to demand they control the materials their subscribers posted, and Scientology that first attacked online anonymity by obtaining a court order requiring the Finnish anon.penet.fi server to uncloak the real identity of one of its users. Julf Helsingius, who was later given an EFF Pioneer Award for his efforts, closed the server after that, on the grounds that if he could not guarantee anonymity it was worthless.

Ironically, as Spaink writes on her Web site, the Dutch court's ruling was based on testimony given in a similar case in Sweden, the prosecution of Zenon Panoussis, who tried to argue that the secret documents were open to everyone under the Swedish Constitution because he had filed copies with the courts and the Swedish Parliament. Ironic, because Panoussis lost that case in 2001.

The question raised by these cases, and of Keith Henson, Grady Ward, and others, is where you draw the line between freedom of speech and what the CoS likes to call "copyright anarchists". Spaink is pretty clearly motivated by her belief in freedom of speech as an inalienable right; she also hosts anti-abortion The Nuremberg Files that was ordered offline despite being pro-choice herself. Some of the other Net critics seem to be driven more by a belief that exposing the inner workings of the CoS is in the public interest and, perhaps, simply liking a good fight. The CoS's own view of these folks as "anti-religious extremists" is clear.

Judges have not always agreed – Judges Kane and Brinkema in Colorado and Virginia respectively, have ruled that the documents' availability from multiple sources outside the CoS mean they are not trade secrets, even though they are protected by copyright. This is, of course, part of what the Net critics were trying to achieve: ready accessibility to information about what Scientologists are ultimately taught so prospective members can make an informed choice. Copyright terrorists or public-spirited citizens? You decide. µ


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cult; operatingthetans; scam; scientology; xenu
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I realize this aritlce is a week old, but it ties in nicely with a discussion on the "Church" of $cientology on another thread.
1 posted on 09/21/2003 12:39:16 PM PDT by TomB
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To: TomB
"Spaink is pretty clearly motivated by her belief in freedom of speech as an inalienable right; she also hosts anti-abortion The Nuremberg Files that was ordered offline despite being pro-choice herself."

That's pretty amazing. I'm pro-life and I don't support the Nuremberg Files, or at least I don't believe the owners when they say they are not advocating violence.

This was an interesting article. I bet there are a lot of folks who miss the days when the "internet" was a secret preserve of the geeky.
2 posted on 09/21/2003 12:45:49 PM PDT by jocon307 (how much trouble is THIS post going to get me in?)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife; searchandrecovery; callmemrpurpose; Ladysmith; Constantine XIII; Buggman; ...
More evidence of the authenticity of the "Xenu" story.
3 posted on 09/21/2003 12:49:57 PM PDT by TomB
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To: jocon307
This was an interesting article. I bet there are a lot of folks who miss the days when the "internet" was a secret preserve of the geeky.

You mean when individual pages took 20 seconds to load? Or free porn? ;-)

Acutally, the wild old days of the web were a lot of fun.

4 posted on 09/21/2003 1:07:56 PM PDT by TomB
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To: jocon307
This was an interesting article. I bet there are a lot of folks who miss the days when the "internet" was a secret preserve of the geeky.

You are absolutely correct. The net of 2003 is a wonderful thing, but the net of the early 1990s had a lot of unique and special qualities that have largely disappeared.

5 posted on 09/21/2003 1:13:45 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: TomB
I'm no fan of Scientology, but we could learn a lot by studying how they use the legal system to destroy their opponents. In a time where the left still has an almost iron-fisted control over the US courts, and uses them to legislate socialist policy from the bench rather than interpret laws, we should not dismiss the possibility of using the same legal system against them, to seriously fight back instead of just moaning and complaining about getting screwed over.
6 posted on 09/21/2003 1:20:07 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: Timesink
I don't know if they are nearly as successful as they imply. Most of their recent legal adventures have gone against them. They seem to use the legal system not so much to win as to harass. And what they have in their favor is an almost inexhaustable supply of lawyers AND money.
7 posted on 09/21/2003 1:24:13 PM PDT by TomB
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To: TomB
Though the mills of God grind slowly, yet they grind exceeding small;
Though with patience He stands waiting, with exactness grinds He all.

-- Longfellow, Retribution.


8 posted on 09/21/2003 1:30:01 PM PDT by dighton (NLC™)
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To: TomB
Does anyone know if these events lead to the creation of the MixMaster and Cyberpunk anonymity systems?
9 posted on 09/21/2003 1:33:31 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: TomB
Xenu hates me, this I know
For L. Ron Hubbard tells me so!
But we can foil his evil plans
With jumper cables and tin cans.

Yes, Xenu hates me.
Yes, Xenu hates me.
Yes, Xenu hates me.
I paid ten grand to know!
10 posted on 09/21/2003 1:35:38 PM PDT by Loyalist (Schismatic Orc Ping List: The original Latin lovers!)
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To: Loyalist
LOL!
Bookmark bump.
11 posted on 09/21/2003 1:41:04 PM PDT by realpatriot (Tagline moved to chat-admin moderator)
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To: Loyalist
Hey,I blew $150 back in 1968 on that"auditing"flim flam!Two sessions with some wired tin cans and that was the show,baby!
What was so crazy was that for twenty five years after I severed all ties from them,I STILL got their junk mail along with occasional personal pleas from"org officers"trying to convince me to come back to The Truth!I even went so far as to stuff their self addressed envelopes with grass cuttings and dried doggie doo doo but they STILL kept sending me that crap!
Riverman,who never went Clear.
12 posted on 09/21/2003 1:48:31 PM PDT by Riverman94610
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To: Loyalist
With jumper cables and tin cans.

Just make sure you clean the dried soup out of them before you use them:

I paid ten grand to know!

Ten grand?! What, did you have a coupon?

I figure getting "clear" has to be closer to $100,000.

13 posted on 09/21/2003 1:51:43 PM PDT by TomB
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To: Loyalist
>For L. Ron Hubbard tells me so!

Oh come all ye Grateful Deadheads to the concert.
Oh come Grateful Deadheads and camp in the street.
Bring rolling papers, don't forget your sleeping bags.

Oh come get us some floor seats.
We followed them for four weeks.
Oh come get us some floor seats, to see the Lord.

Come all ye hippies, throwbacks to the '60's.
Paint flowers on your van and don't wash your feet.
Wear your bell-bottoms and your tie-dyed t-shirts.

Oh come let us adore them. We quit our day jobs for them.
Oh come let us adore them. Garcia's the Lord.

14 posted on 09/21/2003 2:17:32 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: theFIRMbss
Speaking of the Lord, here is what Hubbard has to say about Jesus in the infamous OT 8:

    For those of you whose Christian toes I may have stepped on, let me take the opportunity to disabuse you of some lovely myths. For instance, the historic Jesus was not nearly the sainted figure has been made out to be. In addition to being a lover of young boys and men, he was given to uncontrollable bursts of temper and hatred that belied the general message of love, understanding and other typical Marcab PR. You have only to look at the history his teachings inspired to see where it all inevitably leads. It is historic fact and yet man still clings to the ideal, so deep and insidious is the biologic implanting.
And yet the Co$ cultists claim that Scientology is compatible with Christianity
15 posted on 09/21/2003 2:32:09 PM PDT by TomB
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To: TomB
It is my understanding that John Travolta, even though he is a devout Scientologist, claims that he is still a Christian, and that Scientology doesn't ask you to leave your former faith, that you can just incorporate its teachings into your life.

I don't believe him. I believe the COS wants to be the only faith that its members turn to, not Jesus. And Hubbard's characterization implies that Christ is not compatible with Scientology.

(Hoping that a thinking Christian would run for the hills, when confronted with Scientology!)
16 posted on 09/21/2003 2:52:03 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Life isn't fair. It's fairer than death, is all.")
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To: Timesink; TomB
Didn't COS also break into IRS offices, or some-such many years ago, and Hubbard's wife was involved?

Forgive my confusion, but it is sometimes hard to distinguish fact from reality, when thinking of Scientology.
17 posted on 09/21/2003 2:58:44 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Life isn't fair. It's fairer than death, is all.")
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
Hubbard stole his wife from Jack Parsons, the Cal Tech rocket scientist who was also the Aliester Crowley appointed head of the Califonia OTO.
18 posted on 09/21/2003 3:13:26 PM PDT by adam_az
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
Here is a link to the information on Mary Sue Hubbard. Yes, she went to jail for various offenses regarding the IRS. I believe L. Ron was an unindicted co-conspirator in the case.

MARY SUE HUBBARD, et al. STIPULATION OF EVIDENCE

19 posted on 09/21/2003 4:14:19 PM PDT by TomB
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To: adam_az
Different wife. The girl he stole from Parsons was Sara "Betty" Northrup, who became his second wife on 10 August 1946.

After divorcing her, he married Mary Sue Whipp, the subsquent breakinee, in September 1952.

In the interim, Mrs Hubbard #1, neé Mary Louise "Polly" Grubb, had divorced Habbard, so his third marriage, unlike his second, was actually legal.

20 posted on 09/21/2003 5:07:48 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy ("Ain't I a stinker?")
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