With due respect sir, it is your position, assertion and reply I declared excrement, notably your repetitious quote from Koestler that insults all people of Faith, and even the Founder's themselves:
"The continuous disasters of man's history are mainly due to his excessive capacity and urge to become identified with a tribe, nation, church or cause........"
To which I replied that such a quote to make your point was not only innacurate in the face of our history, but a bold-faced pile of excrement in the light of our Founders' actual words and statements.
The history and truth is contained in the quotes from the Founders themselves that I provided above to prove my case. Quotes that you have completely ignored and disregarded.
My dedication to the history and truth of our constitution is evidenced by over five years of posting here on that subject.
Thusfar on this subject and discussion I am hardly impressed. You have not addressed ONE quotation from our Founders that renders your position moot and in error.
Feel free to challenge my actual words on those truths.
I already have and proven them falsehoods by the very words of the Founder's themselves. Thusfar you haven't proven anything you've provided as a truth, save that quote from Koestler you keep pushing as some kind of venerable wisdom that the Founder's themselves would have considered rubbish.
Take you BS to the backroom.
After you sir, after you.
This statement precisely describes the tact utilized by the Court in the years following its 1947 announcement. The Court began regularly to speak of a "separation of church and state," broadly explaining that, "This is what the Founders wanted—separation of church and state. This is their great intent." The Court failed to quote the Founders; it just generically asserted that this is what the Founders wanted.
The courts continued on this track so steadily that, in 1958, in a case called Baer v. Kolmorgen, one of the judges was tired of hearing the phrase and wrote a dissent warning that if the court did not stop talking about the "separation of church and state," people were going to start thinking it was part of the Constitution. That warning was in 1958!
Nevertheless, the Court continued to talk about separation until June 25th, 1962, when, in the case Engle v. Vitale, the Court delivered the first ever ruling which completely separated Christian principles from education.
Secular Humanism
With that case, a whole new trend was established and secular humanism became the religion of America. In 1992 the Supreme Court stated the unthinkable. "At the heart of liberty is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life. In 1997, 40 prominent Catholic and Protestant scholars wrote a position paper entitled, "We Hold These Truths," in which they stated, "This is the very ... antithesis --- of the ordered liberty affirmed by the Founders. Liberty in this debased sense is utterly disengaged from the concept of responsibility and community and is pitted against the ‘laws of nature and the laws of nature’s God. Such liberty degenerates into license and throws into question the very possibility of the rule of law itself.