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To: INVAR
Our Founders considered religion and it's promotion in our schools and culture ESSENTIAL to the preservation of our Republic.

We are thus driven to the unfashionable conclusion that the trouble with our species is not an excess of aggression, but an excess capacity for fanatical devotion." -Arthur Koestler-

I'll take the devout wisdom of our Founders that established our republican liberty these 2 centuries-plus,

Your 'fanatical devotion' is evident in your insistence that our Founders considered religious promotion ESSENTIAL to the preservation of our Republic. Nothing in our constitution backs your theory..

over that of Koestler's Humanist Intellectualism that Communists such as Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot also agreed and espoused.

Your zealotry has more in common with communism that Koestlers anti-statist inellectualism.

166 posted on 09/22/2003 9:06:12 AM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator)
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To: tpaine
Your 'fanatical devotion' is evident in your insistence that our Founders considered religious promotion ESSENTIAL to the preservation of our Republic. Nothing in our constitution backs your theory..

Oh really?? How about the words of the Founders themselves?

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other" - John Adams

"The only foundation for a republic is to be laid in religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can BE NO LIBERTY, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments" - Benjamin Rush.

"Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is Religion and morality alone which can establish the Principles upon which Freedom can securely stand" - John Adams

"Whenever the pillars of Christianity are overthrown, our present republican form of government and all the blessings which flow from them, must fall with them." - Jedediah Morse

Your ignorance of what the Founders said and considered themselves because such belief was not written in the Cosntitution itself is an absurd assumption on your part. It was a universal no-brainer for the men who penned the Founding Documents that liberty and freedom come from, and are given by God - not by men. As such, any abandonment of following the morality of God's laws as revealed in scripture was understood to be the death of liberty, and ultimately our republic. The Founders themselves experienced the tyranny that comes when the written law based upon God's Laws was usurped by men in power. That is precisely what the Crown of England did, and why our cause for Independence was built upon re-establishing that law of God as the sole governance by which men ought to be governed.

This is why Franklin said when asked what kind of Government they had given to us "A republic Madam....if you can keep it".

Your zealotry has more in common with communism that Koestlers anti-statist inellectualism.

Hardly. Your sad attempt to equate religious principle and our foundation that was built upon the laws of God as a zealous communion with communism showcases your complete ignorance of our History, the Founders and WHY they established this nation as they had.

In short, by your quote above, our Founders would be considered Communist tyrants by you. Sorry, your revisionism doesn't work when compared to the actual writings and statements by the Founders themselves. Or do I assume you agree with Thurgood Marshall?

It is Atheism and Intellectualism that is and was the foundation for the greatest tyranny, murder and opression by secular regimes during the last 100 years.

169 posted on 09/22/2003 10:06:57 AM PDT by INVAR
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"Being thus arrived in a good harbor and brought safe to land, they fell upon their knees and blessed God of heaven who had brought them over the vast and furious ocean"

'William Bradford-HIstory of Plymouth Plantation'


"Just then (at the right time in history) North America was discovered, as if it had been kept in reserve by the Deity and has just risen from beneath the waters of the deluge"

Alexis de Tocqueville
177 posted on 09/22/2003 1:19:06 PM PDT by goodseedhomeschool (returned) ( designeduniverse.com Fighting evos exposing years of lies, restoring conservatism.)
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