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Srebrenica Casualty Numbers Challenged by Experts as Politicized and Ethnically Divisive
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/decani/message/77206 ^ | September 20, 2003 | The International Strategic Studies Association (ISSA)

Posted on 09/21/2003 8:34:13 AM PDT by joan

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Srebrenica Casualty Numbers Challenged by Experts as Politicized and Ethnically Divisive

WASHINGTON, DC, September 18, 2003: On the eve of the dedication of a monument to Muslims killed at Srebrenica, in Bosnia-Herzegovina, in 1995, a group which includes a former UN official, intelligence experts, and journalists, released a statement challenging the alleged casualty number of 7,000 victims as "vastly inflated and unsupported by evidence".

They asserted that one-sided interventionist policies permitted al-Qaida forces and radical Islamists backed by the Iranian clerical government to take root during the Bosnian war, clouding the future of the region. As well, they agreed that the "memorialization" of false numbers in the monument actually appeared to be intended to perpetuate regional ethnic hatred and distrust and to deliberately punish one of the victim groups in the Bosnian civil war. Former US President Bill Clinton is expected to attend and legitimize the dedication of the monument at Srebrenica, which was constructed using one million dollars of US Embassy funds at the request of High Representative Paddy Ashdown. But former BBC journalist Jonathan Rooper, who has researched the events in Srebrenica since 1995, says that the region was a graveyard for Serbs as well as Muslims and that a monument to inflated casualties on one side "serves neither truth nor the goal of reconciliation".

Phillip Corwin, former UN Civilian Affairs Coordinator in Bosnia during the 1990s, said: "What happened in Srebrenica was not a single large massacre of Muslims by Serbs, but rather a series of very bloody attacks and counterattacks over a three year period which reached a crescendo in July of 1995." Mr. Corwin is author of Dubious Mandate, an account of his experiences during the conflict. He points out that Srebrenica, which was designated a safe zone, was never demilitarized as it was claimed to be, and that Muslim paramilitary leader Nasir Oric, who controlled Srebrenica, launched repeated attacks on surrounding Serb villages. He noted: "I was the United Nations" chief political officer in Bosnia the day that Srebrenica fell. Coincidentally, it was the same day that the Bosnian Government tried to assassinate me as I drove over Mount Igman on the way to Sarajevo."

Intelligence expert and strategist Gregory Copley, President of the International Strategic Studies Association and the ISSA's Balkan & Eastern Mediterranean Policy Council, accused US Ambassador Donald Hays, who serves as Deputy High Representative of Bosnia-Herzegovina, of using the power of the Office of the High Representative (OHR) governing Bosnia "to force Bosnian Serb elected officials to sign a fraudulent document accepting the official version of events in Srebrenica. The leaders of Republica Srpska [the predominantly Serbian province of Bosnia-Herzegovina] invited the office of the High Representative to join their investigation of the events in Srebrenica. Instead they were told they were told to sign a statement drafted by OHR endorsing casualty figures they publicly disagreed with." Copley added: "It is significant in that the former US Clinton Administration fought this war unquestioningly supporting only the Croat and Muslim factions and disregarding the historic alliance of the Serbian peoples with the US. Then, after the war, the Clinton Administration failed to follow US tradition in helping to heal the wounds of war, but, rather, perpetuated ethnic divisions and hatreds. This differs from the US role in all other wars."

"Unfortunately, all of the policies and officials put in place in the region by the Clinton Administration remain. The current Bush Administration has neglected the Balkans and has, instead, allowed the Clinton policies to continue, which has meant that divisive politics continue. This, then, requires the ongoing commitment of US peacekeeping forces in both Bosnia and in the Kosovo province of Serbia."

Copley added that, according to intelligence obtained from Islamist sources, that the monument was intended to become a shrine for radical Islamists in Europe and site for annual pilgrimages. He added: "Deputy High Representative Donald Hays forced the Republica Srpska Government to issue a statement which accepted the radical Islamists" version of the Srebrenica affair, despite the fact that the Office of High Representative does not have any investigative capability of its own to make a valid assumption on the matter. As well, the International Criminal Tribunal on Yugoslavia (ICTY) in The Hague " no friend of the Serbs " has itself not completed its investigation of Srebrenica, and nor has the office of the Government of Republica Srpska which has been working with the ICTY."

Amb.. Hays and OHR chief Paddy Ashdown forced the Republica Srpska statement merely to ensure that the opening of the "shrine" " to be attended by Clinton " would vindicate Clinton Administration policies of support for the radical Islamists." Yossef Bodansky, who has written several books on the war in Yugoslavia and also serves as Research Director of ISSA, calls the 7,000 figure "disinformation" and notes that "all independent forensic evidence points to Muslim casualties in the hundreds, possibly the low hundreds. Continued emphasis on such allegedly high numbers of Muslim deaths at Srebrenica also obfuscates the Muslim murders in that city, earlier, of Serb civilians." Bodansky also wrote extensively on the link between Osama bin Laden and the Bosnian Islamists in numerous articles and special reports and three books, including Offensive in the Balkans: the Potential for a Wider War as a Result of Foreign Intervention in Bosnia-Herzegovina (1995), Some Call it Peace: Waiting for War in the Balkans (1996), and Bin Laden: The Man Who Declared War on America (1999).

Rooper says that at least 1,000 Serbs, mostly civilians, were killed by forces led by Oric who did not bother to hide his crimes, even showing videotapes of slaughtered Serbs to Western journalists. Meanwhile a group of academic experts and journalists from the United States, Canada, Germany, France, Serbia, and the United Kingdom has been organized by Professor Edward S. Herman of the University of Pennsylvania to examine the evidence regarding events at Srebrenica in July 1995 and earlier, how the media reported these events, and the political role of claims about Srebrenica. It is expected that a report from this group will be available in June 2004. Rooper points out that the 40,000 inhabitants the UN used in July of 1995 before the capture of Srebrenica roughly matches the number of former residents accounted for in the aftermath. A commander of the Muslim-dominated Army of BiH (Bosnia-Herzegovina) later confirmed to parliament in Sarajevo that 5,000 BiH troops escaped largely intact to Tuzla while the UN registered some 35,632 civilian survivors.

While the capture of Srebrenica was reported in July 1995, as it unfolded, an international outcry only took place a month later, after Madeleine Albright, then US representative to the UN, held up a photo which she said provided evidence that thousands of Muslim victims had been buried at field near Nova Kasaba, 19 kilometers from Srebrenica. Excavations which took place following the war, however, yielded 33 bodies at Nova Kasaba. Two years after the event, a total of 400 bodies had been found at 20 sites near Srebrenica, an area which had seen bloody fighting over a three year period. Instead of acknowledging that there was no support for the original figures, Rooper says a various means were used to prop up the official story.

"Spokesmen for the Clinton Administration suggested that Serbs might have moved the bodies to other locations. Rooper points out that excavating, transporting and reburying 7,000 bodies was "not only beyond the capabilities of the thinly stretched, petrol-starved Bosnian Serb Army, but would have been easily detected under intense surveillance from satellites and geostationary drones.

By 1998, thousands of bodies excavated from all across Bosnia were stored at the Tuzla airport. Despite state of the art DNA testing, only 200 bodies have been linked to Srebrenica. Around 3,000 names on a list of Srebrenica victims compiled by the Red Cross matched voters in the Bosnian election in 1996. "I pointed out to the OSCE that there had either been massive election fraud or almost half the people on the ICRC missing list were still alive," says Rooper. "The OSCE finally responded that the voting lists had been locked away in warehouses and it would not be possible for them to investigate."

The inflated Srebrenica statistics are part of a larger picture that intelligence experts such as Bodansky and Copley find troubling. They say US policymakers have been slow to recognize that Bosnia is viewed as a strategic base for operations in Europe by al-Qaida and the HizbAllah. In 1993, when the Clinton Administration was strongly backing the Muslim President of Bosnia, Alija Izetbegovic, Osama Bin Ladin was regular visitor to his office, according to Renate Flottau of the German weekly, Der Spiegel. The Bosnian daily, Dani, reported that the Vienna Embassy of BiH issued a passport to Bin Ladin in 1993.

A special report by Copley, issued Tuesday, September 16. 2003. noted that Bosnia-Herzegovina Ambassador Huso Zivalj, who issued the passport to Bin Ladin, later served as Bosnian Ambassador to the United Nations in September 11. "It is becoming increasingly clear that the movement of Zivalj to the New York post just before (and his departure just after) the September 11,2001 attacks was not coincidental."

"To refer to US Bosnia policy as a success story is to disregard substantial evidence to the contrary. Instead of misplaced symbolism in Srebrenica, US policymakers need to take a hard look at assumptions which have guided US actions in the region," Copley said.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: balkans; campaignfinance; racak; srebrenica
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To: getoffmylawn
Well, at least the first three words of your post make sense>>

Have you considered Hooked on Phonics?
301 posted on 10/01/2003 9:41:18 AM PDT by Ronly Bonly Jones
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To: mark502inf
C'mon, FormerLib, identifying a war-crime doesn't mean you are "rooting" for the other side. Saying Calley was a criminal doesn't mean you were for the NVA.>>

It does if one supports the Serbian National Socialists. Haven't been here long, have you, Mark?
302 posted on 10/01/2003 9:43:07 AM PDT by Ronly Bonly Jones
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To: FormerLib
Yeah, tell that to the folks currently occupying the Serbian Krajina!>>

WHo are now the EXACT SAME folks occupying Muslim farms in the Republika Srpska. Run away from the Croatians, steal from the Muslims. Boo hoo.
303 posted on 10/01/2003 9:47:12 AM PDT by Ronly Bonly Jones
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To: mark502inf
But if the idea is that the KLA removed the bodies of their combatants, that nukes the theory held by many that the murdered farmers and villagers were really fighters.

No, it does not. It only gives credence to the fact that not all of the combatants were in uniform. Only the uniformed combatants were removed.

304 posted on 10/01/2003 9:59:04 AM PDT by FormerLib (There's no hope on the left!)
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
Gee. so sorry they didn't just die in the streets as you would have preferred! Darn those sub-human Serbs! Daring to stay alive like that!

Yeah, it's all excusable when it happens to the Serbs! Meanwhile, the radical Muhammedans strengthen their base of operations in Bosnia and in Kosovo.

305 posted on 10/01/2003 10:02:54 AM PDT by FormerLib (There's no hope on the left!)
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
It does if one supports the Serbian National Socialists.

Or the 9-11 hijackers...

306 posted on 10/01/2003 10:03:38 AM PDT by FormerLib (There's no hope on the left!)
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To: mark502inf; getoffmylawn; Fusion; wonders; joan
First, I must differ with you on the blood feud--there have been many KLA members killed due to feuds over the last few years. And as you said yourself in one of your previous posts: "good old fashioned revenge bloodshed based on family honor casts aside political views very quickly" plus "Things never really change in Kosovo as Albanians continue to kill Albanians." So, again, I believe the absence of blood feuds or killings by the Racak family members mitigates against the Alb on Alb theory.

If you do get around to reading all of my posts how will you will get a better gist of what I have been saying? You find the lack of revenge from the villagers to be strange. The explanation is in my posts i.e. the KLA had control of Racak after the Serbs had left. The Military observers and of course the villagers who had evacuated from the obvious Serb MUP advance were not allowed into Racak until the KLA were ready for Walker and the show. The villagers were told by the KLA that the Serbs had killed their men and that is what they were left to believe. I hold no weight on the witness statements that were obviously motivated by the KLA. Very few female victims considering those mad Serb MUP just pounced on Racak. Have you ever had the chance to hear what a T-55 Soviet erra tank sounds like a few kilometers away? I have and it’s a very sobering sound. The Racak villagers and most of all the KLA knew what was coming considering the KLA had just recently shot some Serb Policeman to death in the area? Thaci himself has publicly stated this was a chosen method to attract a response from the Serbs.

You may have spoken to Ranta whose investigation was flawed and drawn over a long period. I believe she has been described as a forensic dentist. The fact the KLA in Racak refused any investigation as you had mentioned is a bit curious don't you think, considering the Albanians were the victims in all of this and the Albanian Investigating Judge with a Serb accused were there for a criminal investigation. You would think the KLA would have welcomed their own judicial process that had on trial a suspected Serb criminal? The KLA have something to hide and I know this. The LDK walk very lightly in Racak under the watchful eye of the KLA. I worked on them extensively while in Kosovo.

Just because their is this old Albanian Blood fued or Kanoun as it is know in that region of the Balkans, not all Albanians practice revenge. It is more common in the small villages. A good majority of the LDK who the KLA have prayed upon even before the NATO invasion are pacifists and easy targets. I interview one of these LDK people who was left for dead by the very understanding KLA. You mentioned that some of the KLA have been killed as a result of the Albanian blood feud. This is due to conflicts within the KLA itself or with the traditional Albanina criminal groups who moved into Kosovo with a vengnendce. I have seen a few of these unfortunate KLA on the slab at the Pristina Hospital. The most memorable one was Besim Mala. You must understand that your everyday villager will not mess with the KLA who control what goes on in Kosovo. Never the less their conflicts between clans. Just ask yourself why didn’t all the villagers leave and what was the purpose of those 45 who remained? You should ask Ranta this.

307 posted on 10/01/2003 6:52:27 PM PDT by Wraith
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To: Wraith
Wraith, I'll just go back to the beginning--there is just too much evidence of Serb mis-deeds at Racak; numerous corroborating witness statements, the circumstantial evidence, and a comprehsive investigative report by a neutral team of forensic experts.

Like I said before, I also think the behavior of the local Albanians supports exactly what the evidence proves--a massacre of ethnic Albanian villagers by Serbs at Racak. But it is the evidence that counts, not speculation on why somebody did or did not behave in a particular way; whether it is my speculation or somebody else's.

And BTW, Dr. Ranta is a veteran of many such investigations in Latin America, the Balkans, and Africa. She has a pretty rare combination of professional skills, experience, and perspective.

So bottom line, Wraith, I appreciate your posts & look forward to reading others in the future, but I stand by my conclusions on Racak.

308 posted on 10/01/2003 8:29:36 PM PDT by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf
Wraith, I'll just go back to the beginning--there is just too much evidence of Serb mis-deeds at Racak

Are you trying to prove Hitler's old theory that if you keep on repeating a lie, sooner or later everybody will believe it, or at least some part of it?

309 posted on 10/01/2003 8:45:09 PM PDT by judywillow (the supposed Kr)
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To: judywillow
Well Judy, I guess you got me. I just can't stand up against the facts you marshalled and the logic you displayed by calling me a liar and doing the Hitler comparison.
310 posted on 10/01/2003 9:22:19 PM PDT by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf
That was all the commentary which any sort of a claim of Racak being real or Santa Claus being real or the Easter Bunny being real RATES.
311 posted on 10/02/2003 6:25:29 AM PDT by judywillow (the supposed Kr)
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To: judywillow
Are you trying to prove Hitler's old theory that if you keep on repeating a lie, sooner or later everybody will believe it, or at least some part of it?>>

No need for us to prove it. Every time that one of Slobo's FR myrmidons post something here on FR on how put upon the poor helpless members of the BSA and Arkan's Tigers were, that theory is borne out in toto.
312 posted on 10/02/2003 9:55:33 AM PDT by Ronly Bonly Jones
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To: judywillow
That Ronly Bonly boy can't post a single link of us supporting Milosevic or Arkan's Tigers is just another example of the falsehoods he proclaims!
313 posted on 10/02/2003 12:12:10 PM PDT by FormerLib (There's no hope on the left!)
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To: FormerLib
Define "us".

Both Milosevic and Arkan have been supported by various individuals here on FR - and in Milosevic's case, not just as an opponent of the ICTY.

314 posted on 10/02/2003 2:09:00 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: FormerLib
Anybody claiming that Racak was real at this juncture is a kook. Ignore them.
315 posted on 10/02/2003 2:37:44 PM PDT by judywillow (the supposed Kr)
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To: Hoplite
Thank you, O fellow sock puppet of Osama Bin Laden, Nasir Oric' and Muhammad Atta (PBUH). < / i r o n y >
316 posted on 10/02/2003 2:58:31 PM PDT by Ronly Bonly Jones
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
Pfft.

Them boys are either incarcerated or dead - besides, I prefer the rumor that I work for the State Dept., it makes me feel oh so connected.

317 posted on 10/02/2003 4:12:51 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
Define "us".

Anyone who dares suggest that bombing Serb civilians is a bad thing to do. The standard al-Qaeda hugging response is to accuse us of supporting Milosevic and Arkan. Yes, I know it doesn't make any sense, but supporting the Muhammedan enemies of the United States in Bosnia and Kosovo makes even less sense.

318 posted on 10/02/2003 4:33:19 PM PDT by FormerLib (There's no hope on the left!)
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To: FormerLib
Duckln is a Milosevic supporter, in the SPS meaning of the word, and Destro and Alternatediscourse have both posted paeans of praise to Arkan.

You may find it simple to pigeonhole all Muslims in the 'enemy' category, but making one quarter of the world's population our enemy by identifying them with those of their faith who are our enemies is simply stupid.

How many Americans have the Bosnian Muslims and Kosovar Albanians killed?

There goes your worldview.

319 posted on 10/02/2003 4:45:11 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
Duckln is a Milosevic supporter, in the SPS meaning of the word, and Destro and Alternatediscourse have both posted paeans of praise to Arkan.

Then you should have no problem posting links proving such?

How many Americans have the Bosnian Muslims and Kosovar Albanians killed?

The same as the number of Serbs have killed: zero.

Now, how much more likely is it that the al-Qaeda sympathnizers in the Muslim ranks cheered the 9-11 attacks?

There goes your worldview.

LOL! No no no, it will take much more than a little hearsay from a Muhammedan to change that!

320 posted on 10/02/2003 5:41:08 PM PDT by FormerLib (There's no hope on the left!)
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