New California Field Poll leaked

Field Poll | September 20, 2003 | Field Poll

[carbon14]

Recall (yes)...53%

Bustamante.....28% Schwarzenegger.26% MadClintock....14%

For comparison (Field Poll August 18) Bustamante.....25% Schwarzenegger.22% MadClintock.....9% Simon...........8% Ueberroth.......5% Huffington......2%

[=Intervention=]

"we are simply political realists "

This is the excuse used by people who have no vision of growing the conservative movement, and accept the world as the liberals have parsed it. (Once you accept your ideological opponent's description of the world, you have ceded not only the battle, but the war!) Why vote for someone who doesn't represent your own values? Why put someone in power who won't do the conservative thing? Why dilute the Republican party's principles for one measly election? And that's another point -- all those who advocate selling out on this large a scale are saying that principles don't matter and that it is better to have an unprincipled man in power with an R than it is to have no power at all.

The problem is that doing so blows all your "integrity points" and that's what voters look for -- integrity. Arnold won't help the Ca pubbies win the next election or bring on board Republicans in other positions, for the simple reason that when faced with the choice of two liberals, the brainwashed masses will choose the Democrat.

In the end, no matter what happens in this election, the outsiders and the conservatives see that the party whores itself for whatever big name star comes along. They sell out whatever they believe in for the naked pursuit of power. Thus far that kind of sleaziness had been associated with Democrats. Arnold now associates it with Republicans, and the voters won't forget that.

[TERMINATTOR]

If you don't want "another 4 years of socialist spending sprees, high taxes, etc.", you want the liberal Rnulled to drop out.

A vote for (R)nulled is a vote for BustaMEcHA!

[cyncooper]

Nope. Republicans.

You don't get to decree who is a "real" Republican or "real" conservative, and I'm sick and tired of a small group railing against the rest of us.

It's unseemly.

[sruleoflaw]

THERE IS NO OR LITTLE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CRUZ AND ARNOLD on these issues -- Family Leave Act, Prop. 54, minimum wage laws, vouchers, Prop. 187, abortion, homosexual domestic partnerships.

Arnold = Cruz LITE

I have been hearing the same manure from the moderate/LOSER wing of the GOP for 40 years. You were wrong about Reagan and you'll be wrong about McClintock. SHOVE OFF...and prepare to watch your boy slapped, kicked and hog-tied on Wednesday by McClintock.


"Dear Mr. Reagan, it should be obvious to you now that you can never be elected governor. Please put aside your ego, for the good of our party, and get behind the one man who is moderate enough to appeal to California voters - - San Francisco Mayor George Christopher."

Look Magazine 1966

LOSERS THEN, LOSERS NOW.

[sruleoflaw]

He said he didn't need others' money...and gave the clear impression he would not be taking money. A scoundrel who enjoys shoving women's heads in toilets. What a stinking loser.


"Dear Mr. Reagan, it should be obvious to you now that you can never be elected governor. Please put aside your ego, for the good of our party, and get behind the one man who is moderate enough to appeal to California voters - - San Francisco Mayor George Christopher."

Look Magazine 1966

[Luis Gonzalez]

"If McClintock and Arnold debate, Arnold will be beaten like a stray mutt."

And if my bubbie had a schmekel she'd be my zadie.

Ask a Jew.

[monkeyshine]

On what issues again does he have the 'right' position?

None that I know of. But neither does Cruz. Punishing Rnold will not help in any way. Being a kingmaker may.

I support McClintock, and I had hoped he would've drawn closer after 2 drop outs. But if the polls don't change, I'll have to vote for Rnold. I can't possibly vote for a democrat, but at least Rnold will be surrounded, hounded, and owe political debt to the right. With Rnold there is hope, assuming McClintock can't win. With CB, there is no hope at all.

[thoughtomator]

It's only a defeat for the liberals in the GOP. Conservative power will be respected again as a requirement for GOP success.

If conservatives vote for (R)nold, they vote to silence themselves from public policy. Neither the incumbent nor the opposition would reflect their point of view, and they would be entirely at the mercy of whatever scheme a liberal Republican and liberal Democrats cook up.

As even the 2002 election showed, conservative power in CA is more than strong enough to outpoll Busty, who is despised from all quarters. The ones who have to compromise here are the liberal members of the GOP.

The gauntlet is thrown - the only GOP candidate that will be elected with conservative support will be McClintock. Will the liberals in the GOP get on board, or will they sabotage the party again?

[=Intervention=]

"The right should broker their power, be the kingmaker. A partial victory and partial political power is better than no victory and no power."

A partial victory is still a defeat as far as advancing the agenda goes, and advancing the agenda is the only reason to be in politics. You are going to assume that the 85% leftist Arnie will somehow roll over and listen to the conservatives once elected! *ROFL* Once he is elected with the help of the "middle" and "liberals" he'll have even LESS reason to listen to the conservatives! Once a leftist is in power, he becomes ever-more leftist, as he sees constituent groups as his only hope of being re-elected.

The right has it right. Why support someone who doesn't support the agenda in hopes of getting him to support the agenda once elected?

[Eva]

You are wrong, Arnold is not a socialist. He is a liberal, but at least he's a Republican liberal.

If Bustamonte wins, the conservatives deserve the booby prize, that they will get. This isn't a horse race, there is no such thing as place or show.

[monkeyshine]

This is the excuse used by people who have no vision of growing the conservative movement, and accept the world as the liberals have parsed it.

I disagree. The view of the right in this case is totally fatalist. It is to say that things cannot get worse. And in that it is defeatist, because things will get worse if the right is shut out of political power.

If the right is a kingmaker it will have meaning and resonance. If it is a spoiler it will have nothing.

[=Intervention=]

"Will the liberals in the GOP get on board, or will they sabotage the party again?"

You got it. These guys are the fifth column and the reason why there's a lot of registered independents and libertarians out there.

[thoughtomator]

The thing to do to avoid Cruz is to vote "no" on the recall, and choose McClintock. Given a choice otherwise of Busty or Arnold, the whole point of the recall - to get a reformist candidate that could pull California from the brink of bankruptcy - is moot, so the duly elected governor should finish his term.

After the way the party establishment sabotaged conservative candidates in 2002, why should they be rewarded with cooperation, when their only explanation is that it is a failure of reliable conservative support?

[Roscoe]

Arnold's answers:

1. How would you propose enhancing revenue and/or what specific cuts would you propose to achieve a balanced budget?

I would reduce the wasteful spending and audit everything. That's my plan.

2. Leaders in the business community are convinced that this state is losing jobs and unable to attract new businesses. If you agree, what are two things you would change to make this a more business-friendly state? If you disagree, what are the misconceptions you would like to correct?

We have to stop the wasteful spendful and be friendly to the businesses.

3. How are you going to ensure that all Californians have adequate health care?

We want to make sure the older folks have their care that they need. That everything has to be provided for the people.

4. Everybody talks about wanting a colorblind society, but what does that actually mean to you? In other words, how do we know when we have succeeded?

Only right wing crazies want to be blind to the coloreds.

5. What should be the top priority for California right now?

To audit everything.

6. If elected governor, will you support the expansion of charter schools in California?

All the schools have to provide the babysitting for the children. The hundreds of millions of dollars of spending in my Prop 49 is a start, but we need lots more.

7. What do you expect to accomplish in the time remaining on Gray Davis' term that he could not?

To bring about change and to turn things around by doing things different.

8. What is the single most important piece of legislation either signed or vetoed during this past legislative session?

People don't want facts and figures, they want me!

9. Do you support reducing the Vehicle License Fee (car tax), and if so, where would you find the revenue to replace the loss to the budget?

When I'm elected President, I'll ask the Democrats to change that.

10. What services will your administration expect local governments to provide and what stable source of revenue will you give them to do it?

We'll get rid of Proposition 13. [frenzied buzzing in his earpiece] I mean protect the 13 and audit everything.

11. Under Govs. Pat Brown and Ronald Reagan, California spent up to 20 percent of its general fund on infrastructure -- such as roads, bridges, colleges, hospitals and water systems. Now we spend closer to 1 percent. Proposition 53 on the ballot raises that figure to 3 percent. What are your positions on Prop. 53, and what will you do to invest more in California's aging infrastructure?

Our children are the most important thing, and that's why I'll audit everything. That's my plan.

12. As our population continues to age, the demand for government services to seniors will increase dramatically during the next decade. What do you intend to do to proactively manage this demand?

Our old people are the most important thing, and that's why I'll audit everything. That's my plan.

[carbon14]

CA needs someone to do some union busting on the teachers' unions like Reagan did with the air traffic controllers, not pour yet more money down that sinkhole of corruption and waste.

You have not been watching the under the rader movement by Kevin Johnson. His Hope Charter Schools will break collective bargaining, hire competent teacher and administrators and ultimately transform the CA state education system toward greatness while saving billions for the taxpayer.

Watch Schwarzenegger sit on the education budget lid from above while Kevin Johnson transforms education from within the system.

See the Kevin Johnson Charter School article here

[Eva]

You are obviously uninformed if you don't know the difference between a liberal and a socialist. A liberal is some one who promotes individual rights of the common man, supports property rights and freedom of religion (not from religion). You know what a socialist is, just about the opposite.

[BlueNgold]

Find one of my posts ranting about the self-annointed purist conservatives for a more detailed response to the 'you're no conservative' comment ...

Meanwhile back at the ranch ....
I fully realize that Arnold is far from conservative, and in a perfect world would love to be able to support Senator McC, but this is CA, and it is far from a perfect world, especially for conservatives. There is no reasonably forseeable circumstance under which McClintock can win, that leaves 3 choices: Keep Davis, C.B. or A.S. Among the 3 I choose Arnold. The one thing McClintock, A.S. or ANY Republican in CA needs to win is crossover support ... Poll analysis shows that McC has virtually NO crossover support among indies and (D)s, conversely A.S. draws his support broadly. This is an election - we are faced with a choice and it holds an opportunity to elect an (R) governor, the (R) that can actually win happens to be A.S.

[monkeyshine]

and advancing the agenda is the only reason to be in politics.

Yes I agree. But you cannot win the war in one attack. You must gain territory inch by inch.

The right must be tactical here, imo. The fight will continue if Rnold wins. If CB wins, the right will sit and fester and stew for 3 more years.

[deport]

PPIC has done a poll in this stuff..... Look at the info I gave you earlier on another thread.....

[thoughtomator]

How does the quote in #74 in any way differ from advocacy of socialism? Cradle-to-grave, Soviet (R)nold style.