Bush Job Approval Ratings Up Slightly!

Polling Report ^ | 9/20/03

[Timesink]

It is as though they forgot that there is anyone watching but the faithful.

Almost nobody is watching but the faithful. Back in the Reagan years, there was nothing available to most people but the Liberal Media Machine. Now we have New Media: The net, the web, talk radio, Fox News, on and on. The "mainstream" media has mostly lost the ability to control the public discourse, as everyone who is sick of their bias has abandoned them for more reliable news sources.

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[savedbygrace]

You denied that Bush had done anything regarding faith-based community organization intiatives.

Where did I do that? Prove your allegation or admit you were wrong.

I responded with an article showing where he has accomplished some of his objectives but because not every organization mentioned has a mission statement that you agree with, therefore it could not be considered "faith".

No, you posted an article that showed ONE faith based org. The rest have nothing to do with President Bush's announced objectives. They may have something to do with his unannounced objectives, though.

You are the one obsessed with nit-picking anything a particular organization does or believes in that doesn't agree with you....to claim therefore Bush is not helping any faith based organizations.

No, I posted that only one of the the orgs your article listed has a faith based mission statement. I never said anything about MY religion. You have made that up out of whole cloth.

[Jorge]

And where exactly do you get this holier than thou thing?

From YOU. Your posts.

No matter what Bush has accomplished, YOU seem to have a higher standard by which you feel qualified to judge him a failure who has done nothing for conservative Christians.

I am a conservative Christian who is grateful for George Bush.

That shows you have no understanding of the concept of salvation by grace.

As if somebody who focuses ONLY on the negative and completely ignores Bush's accomplishments can lecture anybody on "salvation by grace".

First show us you are able to exercise simple basic grace before you attempt to tell us you have this higher understanding of God's "salvation by grace".

[HitmanLV]

I agree, but it would help a lot if:

1. the admin finds the WMDs, or can account for where they are.

2. the admin fights back a bit - they let the dems get too many hits it, and it has taken a toll.

[savedbygrace]

You have a reading comprehension problem, Jorge. And you can't quote anything that backs up your wild baseless allegations about me.

I've asked you where I said that President Bush has done NOTHING for Christians, and you haven't. Because I never said that. But you continue to claim I did. Why is that?

You're not being a very effective spokesman for President Bush. As they say, don't quit your day job.

[Jorge]

"You denied that Bush had done anything regarding faith-based community organization intiatives."

Where did I do that? Prove your allegation or admit you were wrong.

You're admitting that Bush HAS accomplished anything regarding "faith-based community organization intiatives"?

Show me that you admit this and I will GLADLY admit I am wrong above..because it will prove my basic claim is correct and you have been wrong from the beginning.

[visualops]

"FAMILY OF LACI AND CONNOR PETERSON SUPPORTING SENATOR ENSIGN'S AND REP. MELISSA HART'S PRO-LIFE BILL -- This week, the family of Laci Peterson and her unborn son, Connor, came out in support of legislation which would make it a crime to kill or injure an unborn baby during the commission of federal crimes of violence, crimes under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, or crimes committed on federal land. Senator Mike DeWine, R-OH, is the Senate sponsor of a bill, which would do just that. Congresswoman Melissa Hart, R-PA, is the author of the House bill, which has already passed overwhelmingly twice. The Democrat-controlled Senate never even considered the bill during the past Congress. Senator DeWine and Congresswoman Hart held a press conference this week touting their bill. The House bill will be named the "Laci and Connor Peterson Act."

"HISTORIC VOTE IN THE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES REMOVES THE BARRIERS TO FAITH-BASED ORGANIZATIONS -- On Thursday, the U.S. House of Representatives passed H.R. 1261, the "Workforce Reinvestment & Adult Education Act" authored by Congressman Howard P. "Buck" McKeon, R-CA, which contains a provision to remove a specific barrier in a federal program that prevents religious organizations from participating in federal programs while maintaining their religious character and mission. The Chairman of the House Education & Workforce Committee, John Boehner, R-OH, said, "The legislation before us would give our nation's governors and communities new tools to meet the unique needs of the people they serve." Chairman Boehner said that even Bill Clinton sanctioned several other federal programs under which a job candidate's religion could be taken into consideration when hiring and still receive federal funds."

"HOUSE AND SENATE MAJORITY LEADERS PRAISE SENATOR RICK SANTORUM -- Following the ultra-liberal attack by politicians and the mainstream media this week on Senator Rick Santorum, R-PA, for remarks saying he agreed with the 1986 Supreme Court decision (upholding the Georgia antisodomy law), Majority Leader Tom DeLay said, "I think Senator Santorum took a very courageous and moral position based upon principles and his world view." And Majority Leader DeLay said he was proud of Senator Santorum for "standing on principle." Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said that Senator Santorum's support among his fellow Republicans in the Senate was solid. Majority Leader Frist said, "Absolutely, he will remain in leadership. He has the full, 100 percent confidence of the Republican leadership in the United States Senate." "

"National NOW Times >> Fall 2002 >> Article
Bush Packs U.S. Courts with Ultra-Conservative Judges as Senate Rolls Over
by Linda Berg, Political Director
...To date the Bush administration has sent nearly 120 judicial nominations to the Senate; 81 have had hearings and 64 have been confirmed.
...And Lavenski Smith, who is rabidly anti-abortion, and even filed suit to prevent abortions from being performed in hospitals, was easily confirmed to the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals."

That's just for starters.

[Jorge]

You have a reading comprehension problem, Jorge. And you can't quote anything that backs up your wild baseless allegations about me.

Really? You can't quote anything that backs up your claim that my allegations are either wild or baseless.

In fact you haven't addressed a single thing I've said.

The above is just one more example of the fluff you post in your attempt to cover up your inability to articulate a consistant coherent response to any of my challenges.

[Jorge]

I've asked you where I said that President Bush has done NOTHING for Christians, and you haven't. Because I never said that. But you continue to claim I did. Why is that?

BECAUSE it is just too funny watching you contradict yourself.

You began this debate asking me to prove that Bush has done ANYTHING at all for Christians.

Now you are asking me to prove that you ever said "President Bush has done NOTHING for Christians".

Maybe I should just step back and allow you to debate with yourself?

[Jorge]

I posted that only one of the the orgs your article listed has a faith based mission statement. I never said anything about MY religion. You have made that up out of whole cloth.

Wrong. Many of organizations didn't cite Christianity specifically in their mission statement, and therefore you concluded they were not faith based.

I showed you where their stated principles and convictions were in agreement with basic Christian conventions, but you wouldn't agree and insisted instead on diminishing what Bush has done.

[Jorge]

I posted that only one of the the orgs your article listed has a faith based mission statement. I never said anything about MY religion. You have made that up out of whole cloth.

Wrong. Many of organizations didn't cite Christianity specifically in their mission statement, and therefore you concluded they were not faith based.

I showed you where their stated principles and convictions were in agreement with basic Christian conventions, but you wouldn't agree and insisted instead on diminishing what Bush has done.

[WOSG]

We dont need to invade Iran ... that place is a powder keg ready to overthrow the mullahs if a spark is lit... VOA broadcating into Tehran and a Democratic Iraq's papers filtering in the democratic truth to Iran will be a spark.

The place we may need to sabre-rattle is Syria. Just enough to get them to pull out of lebanon and start behaving better wrt terrorism. Syria now has NO sponsors. its a poor s888hole country. Iraq is the linchpin - need to stablize and democratize.

Bush will win, but imho the Dems will demonize him as best they can. We'll need to defend him in the hostile press.

[savedbygrace]

You began this debate asking me to prove that Bush has done ANYTHING at all for Christians.

I asked what this administration has done for conservative Christians. You responded by claiming that they have:

Stopped federal funding of abortions, continued support for faith based initiatives, total ban on human cloning etc.

On the first claim, if they have "stopped federal funding of abortions" (your words, your claim) then surely Planned Parenthood is no longer getting federal funds, right? But since they haven't been defunded, that claim of yours is false.

On you second claim, the faith based initiatives have resulted primarily and mostly community based, non-faith-based, grants. So, your second claim is false.

I gave you the third claim. The fact that I made that statment disproves your allegation that I am not giving President Bush credit for anything.

Jorge, you're a dishonest debater. And you're becoming boring.

[savedbygrace]

Wrong. Many of organizations didn't cite Christianity specifically in their mission statement, and therefore you concluded they were not faith based.

Faith based organizations that don't mention their faith, whether Christian or not, in their mission statements are not faith based. To state otherwise is laughable.

[savedbygrace]

Jorge, you're lying. Why is that?

[savedbygrace]

Now you are asking me to prove that you ever said "President Bush has done NOTHING for Christians".

You claimed specifically that I said he has done nothing for Christians. I never said that, and I asked you where I said that. You can't find it, because I never said that.

You're going well beyond silly now. You're posting some bizarre stuff that defies logic. And you're just plain lying.

Buh Bye.

[Dolphy]

Don't bother explaining the lack of results by blaming Congress, or the courts. What has this administration DONE for conservative Christians?

What exactly is it that you expect the administration to do when anything that even has a touch of Christian conservatism is viciously attacked? You say don't mention Congress or the courts but the fact is we have three branches of government and I suspect the road to most of your goals leads through more than the executive branch. Oh, and don't forget the most viciously hated member of his administration, Ashcroft, is a Christian conservative.

[Brandon]

Why are you Bushbots compelled to compare President Bush to Gore, who was never president?

Because Gore was the only realistic alternative to Bush in the 2000 election, and because someone worse than Gore is likely to be the only realistic alternative in 2004.

[CasearianDaoist]

Well, as I said in my post, an attempt to invade Iran would probaly cause a revolution - they are waiting for us to do so. An internal revolution without our support would likely just result in a "moderate" form of the current regime. We need for the whole structure to change, so we need some sort of boots on the ground; it could be SF with some air support. We certainly need to keep other international actors out when the transition comes. As for Syria, we are "saber rattling" right now. Going after them will be similar to Iraq. It will be much easier to do with a subdued Iran on our eastern flank.

I agree that we must deal with Syria but we really have to unseat the Baathist there too. Reliance on half measures has got where we are now. I agree that Iraq is clearly the linchpin. I think that in history the strategic staging of the WOT will go down as a brilliant solution to an almost intractable problem.