Bush Job Approval Ratings Up Slightly!

Polling Report ^ | 9/20/03

[savedbygrace]

I repeat: Does Planned Parenthood no longer receive any federal funds? Until that happens, the rest is window dressing.

[CasearianDaoist]

Well that this not what I understand to be the case. The media lies about this. Our forces are down from the cold war, but there are 10 active army divisions, some other combat brigades, army support units, 8 reserve divisions, three USMC active MEFS(45,000 marines a MEF), one reserve MEF, 10 Air Expideitionary Forces, numerous reserve wings, 45,000 Special Ops amd 500,000 sailors in the Navy. You have 150,000 in army and air force combined in Iraq (including support in the number, the marines are leaving or have left), and less than half a brigade of airborne and rangers in Afghanistan, along with about a small battalion of SF (incluing air and support) and an unspecified and classified air group up in the neighboring 'stans.

So there are only an armored division, portions of a couple of mechanized divisions that amount to less than a division, portions of the 101st and lots of adim/occupation type (doctors, etc.) in Iraq

Our arm force are over a million people. There are more troops in Korea than Afhganistan. the amount of troops there are quite tiny, not even 2,000 troops. The media exagerates all of this and have little to no knowledge about the size and deployment. They just want you to think that we are overextended - we are not. The action in Afghabistan is in a very small area an is going quite well. The action in Iraw are at the small unit leveland are just mop ups. the last to fight fits relust in one or two US casualties and the around 70 of the enemy each time. IT is really going quite well - do not believe the media.

So I do not really see how it would be a diaster to go into Iraq, particularly in '05. 20 something combat death a month is a tiny loss, only about a platoon. I would not let the media fools you (we lost 300 men a week in Viet Nam to put that into perspective.) So I think that you are wrong to imagine that this is some sort of requirement. It only takes will. It is rather like saying that we had to defeat germany before we took on Japan.

Besides, just rolling a division across the border will most likely cause a civil war. The mullahtocricy might fall before we him Tehran.

I will note that the choice of an Armored Division was an odd one if all they are to do is mop up. I thought that that was telling. They did leave the heavy battaries at home but you could really just fly those in and noone would notice.

[savedbygrace]

Did you even bother to find out what the mission statement for each of those orgs says? One of them exists to give money and services to union members and their families.

Faith-based my eye.

[Jorge]

That's funny. The only real faith-based organization in that list is Good Samaritan Ministries.
This is a scam, for the most part.

Go back and read the article again.
It says "Faith-Based and Community Organizations".

Reality check.
The purpose of this initiative promoted by President Bush is not preach your personal faith to Americans.

It is to identify grassroots community organizations that have proven themselves most effective at turning people's lives around, that foster self reliance, self improvement and less dependence on Govt programs. And that private and religious organizations should not be excluded for their faith or convictions.

All of these are values and principles are consistant with Christianity, even if they don't have a picture of Jesus on their homepage.
This is what Bush's initiative is about.
Not to promote your personal religion.

[Jorge]

I repeat: Does Planned Parenthood no longer receive any federal funds? Until that happens, the rest is window dressing.

So in your mind it doesn't matter that we are no longer donating money through the UN to support things like forced abortions in China?

If you can't have EVERYTHING you want, then you won't give Bush credit for ANYTHING?
Incredible!

Please don't tell me you have any genuine Christian convictions concerning abortion, because if you did, you would have the honesty to acknowledge that what Bush was a good thing.

[Jorge]

Did you even bother to find out what the mission statement for each of those orgs says? One of them exists to give money and services to union members and their families.
Faith-based my eye.

Heaven forbid that any of these organizations should do ONE single thing you disagree with, since that surely disqualifies them from being a faith based organization.

For someone who uses the screen-name "savedbygrace" you show absolutely no grace toward anybody who disagrees with you on even the most minor issues.

[savedbygrace]

You were the one who claimed that this administration had taken action on FAITH BASED initiatives. I pointed out that the examples you posted were not faith based, save one.

Try again, but your own words testify against you.

[right way right]

Now, if he would just do something to excite his base.

[savedbygrace]

Conservative Christians have gotten so little from this administration that it is laughable for you to suggest there is only one thing I disagree with.

And these are not "minor" issues. Your concept of Christians seems to be that we shouldn't complain about anything. You won't cow me to silence. This administration has given almost nothing to conservative Christians.

Your argument that these orgs do things that Christians should approve of sounds like the the governor of Alabama trying to justify new taxes because Christians are supposed to tithe to help the poor. Sheesh.

[Mulder]

I have never seen a president's supporters more obsessed with approval ratings than with this one. I thought the mindless Klinton groupies were bad about it.

I've always maintained that Bush's support is very thin, at least for the last 2 years. Basically, all this "support" is a result of the post-9/11 tramua experienced by the sheeple. Once the democrats rally behind their candidate (whom I believe will be Hitlery), his support will continue to erode further, IMHO.

If, on the other hand, I'm wrong, then the question becomes why isn't he advancing a conservative agenda if he is so popular?

If the Republican party isn't capable of pursuing an agressive limited-gov't agenda when they control both houses of congress, and have a popular president, when will they support a limited-gov't agenda?

[savedbygrace]

Where exactly did I say that President Bush has done NOTHING for conservative Christians? I've said he has done little, but I never said he has done nothing.

[Jorge]

You were the one who claimed that this administration had taken action on FAITH BASED initiatives. I pointed out that the examples you posted were not faith based, save one.

Try again, but your own words testify against you.

You still don't get it.

Nobody said ALL of Bush's faith based and community intiatives were designed to promote YOUR personal religion.

You seem to think that unless the organizations involved present a mission statement that suits you, they are therefore not qualified.

You have completely missed the objective.

[Jorge]

And these are not "minor" issues. Your concept of Christians seems to be that we shouldn't complain about anything. You won't cow me to silence. This administration has given almost nothing to conservative Christians.

You show me an administration that has given more. Or show me where a President Gore would have been better.

The fact is you can't.

You are so blinded by your holier than thou attitude that you can't even appreciate how fortunate we are to have Bush as President or acknowledge his achievements.

That is truly sad.

[savedbygrace]

Go back and re-read your own words. You claimed FAITH BASED initiatives. Most of what has been granted has been to orgs that were already getting federal money, and very, very few are FAITH BASED.

You haven't carried the argument because you made a claim that isn't backed up by the facts.

And you're desperately trying to sidetrack things by this silly claim that I'm trying to have MY religion pushed. Where is the evidence of that? You're becoming obsessed with that, Jorge.

[maui_hawaii]

If there were more jobs he would be 15% higher.

[savedbygrace]

We are talking about what President Bush has done for conservative Christians, not all of his acheivments.

You haven't presented evidence that he's done very much for us.

Why are you Bushbots compelled to compare President Bush to Gore, who was never president?

And where exactly do you get this holier than thou thing? That shows you have no understanding of the concept of salvation by grace.

[savedbygrace]

Nobody said ALL of Bush's faith based and community intiatives were designed to promote YOUR personal religion.

You said that this administration has given conservative Christians faith based initiatives. When I asked for examples, you gave examples that are NOT faith based (except one that is). When I called you on that, you suddenly tried to change the issue to one if faith based AND community based initiatives. That takes it away from doing something for conservative Christians.

You are slippery, Jorge, but I'm keeping things on topic, regardless of how much you want to sidetrack the debate.

[savedbygrace]

Nobody said ALL of Bush's faith based and community intiatives were designed to promote YOUR personal religion.

You said that this administration has given conservative Christians faith based initiatives. When I asked for examples, you gave examples that are NOT faith based (except one that is). When I called you on that, you suddenly tried to change the issue to one if faith based AND community based initiatives. That takes it away from doing something for conservative Christians.

You are slippery, Jorge, but I'm keeping things on topic, regardless of how much you want to sidetrack the debate.

[savedbygrace]

Nobody said ALL of Bush's faith based and community intiatives were designed to promote YOUR personal religion.

You said that this administration has given conservative Christians faith based initiatives. When I asked for examples, you gave examples that are NOT faith based (except one that is). When I called you on that, you suddenly tried to change the issue to one if faith based AND community based initiatives. That takes it away from doing something for conservative Christians.

You are slippery, Jorge, but I'm keeping things on topic, regardless of how much you want to sidetrack the debate.

[Jorge]

You haven't carried the argument because you made a claim that isn't backed up by the facts.

Wrong. You denied that Bush had done anything regarding faith-based community organization intiatives.
I responded with an article showing where he has accomplished some of his objectives but because not every organization mentioned has a mission statement that you agree with, therefore it could not be considered "faith".

And you're desperately trying to sidetrack things by this silly claim that I'm trying to have MY religion pushed. Where is the evidence of that? You're becoming obsessed with that, Jorge.

You are the one obsessed with nit-picking anything a particular organization does or believes in that doesn't agree with you....to claim therefore Bush is not helping any faith based organizations.

You are the perfect example of why people opposed Bush's program.

Of course I have more examples of what Bush has done, but no doubt you will attempt to dimish these things as well...before you ascend to heaven.

House wrapping up billon faith-based charities

By Amy Fagan The Washington Times
Published September 2, 2003

"One of the first items on the House agenda this month is a scaled-down version of President Bush's faith-based plan, consisting largely of tax incentives to encourage donations to religious charities."

Of course "savedbygrace" will deny any of these things are accomplishments toward Bush's "faith based intiatives" and will of course call me a liar for claiming any success on Bush's part...... as long as he/she/it can find any detail to disagree with.
Sad.