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Ashcroft haters spreading lies on Patriot Act
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | September 20 2003 | THOMAS ROESER

Posted on 09/20/2003 7:42:40 AM PDT by knighthawk

Many liberals are complaining that the U.S.A. Patriot Act, passed by Congress after Sept. 11 and administered by Attorney General John Ashcroft, has the whiff of fascism to it. At the least, they should know authoritarianism when they see it -- but more on that later.

The legislation gives federal officials ''greater authority to track and intercept communications, both for law enforcement and foreign intelligence-gathering purposes,'' says the nonpartisan Library of Congress' research service, including power ''to combat corruption of U.S. financial institutions for foreign money laundering purposes . . . to further close our borders to foreign terrorists and to detain and remove those within our borders creat(ing) new crimes, new penalties and new procedural efficiencies for use against domestic and international terrorists.''

Sure, we all know about Richard Nixon and his break-ins, but in U.S. history, most wartime rights-throttling horror stories came when Democrats were in control. Woodrow Wilson's AG, A. Mitchell Palmer, used the Espionage Act of 1917 and the Sedition Act of 1918 to ferret out dissenters he believed were fomenting a Bolshevik-driven anarchy. Before we follow the knee-jerk course of condemning Palmer, it is good to recall that his house was bombed on June 2, 1919, blowing out the windows of then-Assistant Navy Secretary Franklin Roosevelt's house nearby, along with most other houses within several hundred yards, as recounted in Thomas Fleming's splendid book, The Illusion of Victory: America in World War II. As we know, the low point in civil liberties in the 20th century was when FDR's attorney general, Francis Biddle, ordered the internment of 112,000 Japanese Americans. And Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas, along with Justices Harlan Fiske Stone, Felix Frankfurter and Hugo Black, earlier supported FDR's executive order 9066, which established a military zone ''all the way up the Pacific Coast and inland about 40 miles,'' where people regarded as threats to the United States would be barred and a curfew imposed on all citizens of Japanese heritage. They were ''prepared to let the military have its way,'' writes scholar Bruce Allen Murphy in his excellent biography, Wild Bill: the Legend and Life of William O. Douglas. Quite a bit of history in the first half of the 20th century.

History aside, it is not helpful for liberals (or libertarian-prone conservatives) to be intemperate or inaccurate when condemning the U.S.A. Patriot Act. Unfortunately, the New York Times was both, on July 21, with a front-page story ''Report on U.S. Anti-Terrorism Law Alleges Violations of Civil Rights.'' At first reading, it was as frightening as the fire bell ringing in the night. It said a report by internal probers at the Justice Department identified 1,073 accusations during the six months ending June 15. Of them, 34 raised ''credible Patriot Act violations on their face.'' The Times story has become the major source of accusations against the law and Ashcroft.

But the conservative Weekly Standard magazine quoted the not-so-conservative Washington Post as saying the report wasn't about the Patriot Act at all, just a requirement under the law to specify whatever charges came in. Total complaints were spiked upward by 27 percent over an earlier report. But the ''absolute number of complaints judged 'credible on their face' has remained almost perfectly flat: 34 this time, 33 the time before,'' says the Standard. No big deal. ''Bottom line,'' says the Standard, ''people are more and more likely to accuse the Justice Department of doing them wrong -- which only stands to reason, since the New York Times and its hundreds of imitators have spent the past two years telling them that John Ashcroft is raping the Constitution.''

But in government jargon, ''credible'' doesn't mean true. One ''credible'' incident cited by the Standard from the report: An INS detainee in Texas claimed he was forced to eat pork, was beaten, ''had six teeth extracted against his will'' and was denied medical treatment. It turned out to be false. The feds distinguish between ''credible'' and true. Now, if only the New York Times would.


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KEYWORDS: ashcroft; dems; haters; leftists; lies; nytimes; patiotact; patriotact; suntimes
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1 posted on 09/20/2003 7:42:41 AM PDT by knighthawk
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2 posted on 09/20/2003 7:43:03 AM PDT by knighthawk (We all want to touch a rainbow, but singers and songs will never change it alone. We are calling you)
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To: knighthawk
Everything in the article not-withstanding, Ashcroft bears watching. There's just something about the man. Good intentions have a way of going awry when power becomes absolute and oversight is suspended.
3 posted on 09/20/2003 7:47:03 AM PDT by Lee Heggy (Jealousy-The theory that some other fellow has just as little taste.)
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To: knighthawk
Another of the 34 credible allegations was a prisoner who complained that he was yelled at excessively by a prison guard.
4 posted on 09/20/2003 7:47:33 AM PDT by William McKinley (http://williammckinley.blogspot.com)
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To: knighthawk
In defense of the "administrative supeona" power in the Patriot Act, defenders of Ashcroft cite the fact there are 300 OTHER types of investigations where the government can sieze documents without judicial review. Gee! That makes it better!

None of the above statement is lies. The Patriot Act is a dangerous power grab.

Could this have been done right? It sure could have: If Ashcroft had announced the end of no-knock raids in cases where national security is not at stake, the prosecution of Lon Horiouchi, the end of administrative subpeonas in non-national security cases, the end of proprty siezures without due process, etc. THEN imposing, for a limited time, the powers in the Patriot Act would be just fine with me.

But he didn't. The Patriot Act is just a futher erosion of freedom. Would you send your son to war to defend the fraction of freedom John Ashcroft thinks you deserve?
5 posted on 09/20/2003 7:54:25 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: Lee Heggy
>> There's just something about the man. Good intentions have a way of going awry... <<

Quick, get the rope. Let's hang him. He's just been indicted as a good man.

It would be fascinating to see any of his accusers held to even a fraction of the standard for proof and evidence that he is being held to.
6 posted on 09/20/2003 7:56:12 AM PDT by CMAC51
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To: William McKinley
I have no problem with the concept of illegal combatant and with the Gitmo prison. All that does not erode our freedoms here. Finding and whacking, or interring in Gitmo, the AQ people here and abroad is the GOOD part of the War on Terror.

Building a police state at home undermines the purpose of the War on Terror.
7 posted on 09/20/2003 7:56:39 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: eno_
Building a police state at home undermines the purpose of the War on Terror.
It would, if that was what is happening. But it isn't.
8 posted on 09/20/2003 8:02:10 AM PDT by William McKinley (http://williammckinley.blogspot.com)
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To: Lee Heggy
Good thing then that there has been no suspension of oversight, and no granting of absolute power.
10 posted on 09/20/2003 8:04:08 AM PDT by William McKinley (http://williammckinley.blogspot.com)
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To: DPB101; MEG33; nopardons
Liberals hate him and paint him as McCarthy. McCarthy was a GOOD man btw, who got the same paint job as Atty. General Ashcroft, only worse.

Anyone the Liberal Commies despise is obviously a good person in *my* book.
11 posted on 09/20/2003 8:15:57 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Right on. Anyone who says they are suspiscious of Ashcroft, who had nothing to do with passing the Act, is usually a hate-America left afraid that their seditious acts will be discovered. There are some genuine civil ibertarians though that voice some valid concerns once a lefty gets in the WH again.
12 posted on 09/20/2003 8:20:58 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space for rent)
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To: eno_
”...where the government can seize documents without judicial review.”

Like Mrs. Clinton’s FBI files? Or having your “enemies” audited by the IRS or your credit investigated without your permission? Or being told not to ‘talk’ about an incident like Mrs. Clinton’s barreling through an airport check point and knocking down a guard and injuring him? Or threatening the wives or husbands of those who would blow the whistle on some of the Clinton escapades? Covering up travel expenses or just refusing to report them as the Clintons did? Never answering hard questions and punishing the pundit who dared to ask them? People loose their jobs if not their heads every day from the Clinton machine and yet people still criticize John Ashcroft for truly trying to protect Americans and America by tightening up loose areas however, let the trashy Clintons off the hook for their efforts to silence anyone who would disturb their agenda in any way. What a bunch of idiots!

By the way, learn what Gen. Clark had to do with WACO, he along with Mrs. Clinton and Reno had the upper hand - Bill was not at home...so they say.

13 posted on 09/20/2003 8:22:35 AM PDT by yoe (The Hillary Doll comes with pins - all for just $....................)
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To: knighthawk
Aw, forget that silly Patriot Act.

Let's just practice jumping from high buildings, and putting the fires out from our burning bodies, and taking lots antibiodics all the time.

Like too many freepers, I'd rather die burning alive than sign on to that silly billy Patriot Act.

Won't it be fun watching our families burning alive? Better than supporting that durn Patriot Act!!

14 posted on 09/20/2003 8:26:31 AM PDT by joyful1
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To: knighthawk
Sure, we all know about Richard Nixon and his break-ins, but in U.S. history, most wartime rights-throttling horror stories came when Democrats were in control.

Absolutely correct, and we had best think very carefully about what some future democrat (Hillary) will do with these powers. They are supposed to run out automatically, but after they have been renewed a few times, for the War on Terror will be long, they will become permanent.

These powers will allow Hillarys AG to secretly declare, say the NRA, a terrorist organization, and imprison any members she wishes indefinitely without trial. Because the Govt. will not even have to admit they are holding you, there can be no apeal to the courts.

Heinrich Himmler never had such absolute power, and While the Republicans are the good guys, they won't keep power forever,

So9

15 posted on 09/20/2003 8:27:31 AM PDT by Servant of the 9 (The voices tell me to stay home and clean the guns.)
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To: William McKinley
What do you call administrative subpoenas but "suspension of oversight?"
16 posted on 09/20/2003 8:53:45 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: joyful1
How about YOU send YOUR childeren to the army to defend Ashcroft's church lady vision of "freedom?" Mine won't be going.
17 posted on 09/20/2003 8:54:57 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: yoe
Read my old posts. I don't think you'll find I was soft on Waco.

Also, do you see any of the Waco raiders being prosecuted, or even outed, by the current administration?
18 posted on 09/20/2003 8:57:22 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: eno_
You will have the last word. Unfortunately, we won't be hearing it. You are strong today. The horror of watching what you will see will change that.

Torture. That is what you will see. Your dying words will be something to the effect, that "boy was I stupid. I didn't do what needed to be done to prevent this horror!"

19 posted on 09/20/2003 9:02:49 AM PDT by joyful1
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To: eno_
Eno, you are what militant Islam was counting on.
20 posted on 09/20/2003 9:04:29 AM PDT by joyful1
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