Schwarzenegger: McClintock a Pawn of Pro-Bustamante Indians

NewsMax ^ | Spet. 19, 2003 | Carl Limbacher

[FairOpinion]

American Indians who are supporting Democrat front-runner Cruz Bustamante in California are also promoting Republican state Sen. Tom McClintock, and GOP front-runner Arnold Schwarzenegger is furious.

"I think that as far as Tom McClintock is concerned, I think the question I have for him is, what side is he on?" Schwarzenegger said Thursday. "Is he on the side of the Republicans? Does he represent the Republicans, or does he represent Bustamante?"

Schwarzenegger suggested that the tribes were abetting Bustamante by trying to split the Republican vote.

"They are financing his commercials and TV spots and all that," said Schwarzenegger, who doesn't take money from Indian tribes. "He knows they're financing him not because they want him to be governor. They just want to interfere with the process so that Bustamante wins. He has to decide which side is he on, the Republicans' or Bustamante's."

McClintock called Schwarzenegger's comments "a ridiculous statement by a man who obviously hasn't paid much attention to California public affairs. ... For 20 years, I have fought to protect sovereignty on reservation lands, well before there was gaming.

"If they wanted to hurt Schwarzenegger, they would be making an independent expenditure to hurt Schwarzenegger, and Lord knows there's plenty they could hurt him with."

Assemblyman John Benoit, R-Palm Desert, a Schwarzenegger supporter, told the Riverside Press-Enterprise: "I think the idea of divide and conquer is a tried and true tactic. I can't speak for the Indians, but if there was somebody looking to help Bustamante, this would be the way to do it."

[LisaAnne]

Dan,
I agree with you that there is no reasoning with people who do not want to be reasoned with.
In just checking the previous posts before your reply I see you were called, deceiver, coward, fraud, and phoney. This seems to be the tack of most of the McClintock supporters. They can't win on the issues so they resort to name calling.

I might add one more thing. I have noticed much of the "Christian debate" going on between posters. I am not a Christian, but from what I have seen you have shown more tolerance, respect, and patience than was ever shown to you. I have nothing but respect for you, and for the way in which you have handled the most vicious of attacks. I believe the saying goes, "You are a good witness for your beliefs". Proud to know you,Dan!

Lisa

[sruleoflaw]

Where's your support and evidence that Mr. Finney was a heretic? Words are cheap; facts are expensive. Let's back up what you say.

OK, we're making progress. YOU STINKING WELL KNOW ABORTION IS WRONG. And it is the great evil of the 20th and 21th centuries. In Proverbs, God says He HATES the shedding of innocent blood -- BUT you go ahead and support evil, preferring your support for Arnold to God's commands. How do you explain that? I would also suggest that God has strong feelings about the institution of marriage, which Arnold undermines by supporting homosexual domestic partnerships -- AGAINST THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE OF CALIFORNIA. What a stinking arrogant politician? I voted for Prop. 22.

Show me the slander, show me the lies that I've made. I'm holding you accountable. Don't support evil in the name of the Lord.

Any "Christian" who supports Arnold is an offense to true Christians. You well know what the Scripture says -- and you prefer political power to God's principles. Your actions are kind of a commentary for the nation. Our Founders would be ashamed of your actions. If I am harsh I apologize. I yield no quarter for what is right and what is wrong -- according to the Scripture

[PhiKapMom]

You should find a position you can hold without lying about and slandering others. I have.

You have hit the nail on the head. I don't agree with Pres Bush on Education and Immigration but there are a lot more things I do agree with. So I try to avoid those issues.

I know with Pres Bush that the partial birth abortion ban will be signed when it gets to his desk. A DemocRAT would veto it. I am for Tax Cuts and so is he!

I tell people that I probably have the only two Senators that I agree with over and over again -- Nickles is 100% and Inhofe is 99%+. That has never happened to me in any other State I have lived before Oklahoma. I have yet to see Nickles cast a vote that I don't agree with and Inhofe has only cast one! That just doesn't happen normally in politics. Wish I could clone those two guys in the Senate and we would be better off!

That's why your statement is so true -- when faced with supporting a Republican you disagree with on some issues or allowing a RAT to be elect, the choice is simple for me -- VOTE REPUBLICAN! Any Party that has allowed the Clintons to continue to run things doesn't deserve my vote for dog catcher!

[BibChr]

Yes, and well-put.

In a way, here's what frustrates me even more.

SOME of these people DID vote for Bush, and are glad for their vote for him -- even though he does not 100% hold their position on abortion, and elsewhere.

So, FOR THEM, it is okay to vote for a candidate who is less than perfect.


But FOR US, it is selling out, being a RINO, and all other sorts of horrid things.

Put another way:

FOR THEM, voting for a candidate who accepts abortions they (and I) find morally objectionable is just fine, and leaves them innocent.

BUT FOR US, voting for a candidate who accepts voting for a candidate who accepts abortions they (and I) find morally objectionable IS NOT OKAY, and puts blood on our hands.

It's an inconsistency, and they make it a vicious and hostile inconsistency.

The net is that not one unborn child will be helped by their (A) helping elect a man who embraces 100% of all abortions over one who embrances 99%, (B) taking more money out of the pockets of us pro-lifers in California, and (C) driving out already-slender the pro-life vote in California, and thus setting the cause back even further.

Dan

[BibChr]

I'm humbled by your kind encouragement. Thank you.

Dan

[PhiKapMom]

Are you still hanging around with a Christian name and a Bible verse defending Arnold, the man who supports abortion (the shedding of innocent blood) and supports homosexual domestic partnerships?

Your post is beyond contempt! You have no right to be a judge and jury of anyone. There is no one on this board that lives by Christian principles more than Dan -- no one. All of you on here that call yourself "principled" conservatives are not even close. To attack a man like Dan shows how small you McC supporters have all become in your attempts to make McC look better. Well you have all failed miserably in your attacks on Freepers who support Arnold when you have to resort to questioning Dan's Christian beliefs.

I have tremendous respect for Dan and absolutely zero respect for those of you who trash him because he doesn't share your agenda to support a candidate over one issue! Call me what you want because I am not a 100% pro-life because I do make exceptions for the rape, incest, and life of the Mother but for you to question Dan on abortion -- that is beyond my comprehension.

[BibChr]

Finney was, among other things, a Pelagian. I would direct you to Iain Murray's *Revival and Revivalism*, for very thorough documentation. He was quite a deceiver.

We're only "making progress" because you've been so lazy and quick to slander. Everyone here knows I'm pro-life. My web site is, what, three clicks away? I have a detailed exposure of abortion. It's monstrous and indefensible.

And I've never once defended it. But you've slandered and slandered. Slander isn't "harsh," it's a lie.

Show me you read and think. I've set out my reasons COUNTLESS times. Why am I, a pro-lifer, probably voting for Schwarzenegger?

Dan

[68 grunt]

Oh, you sound so upset?

Any "Christian" who supports Arnold is an offense to true Christians.

And your speech from your pulpit is not the speech of a true Christian. Look for your mountaintop. Your day of influence is at an end.

[68 grunt]

Don't have to prove a thing to you, Mr. 'Throw-the-conservatives-out-of-the-GOP'

Not the conservatives! Its your ilk that hurts us.

[PhiKapMom]

Any "Christian" who supports Arnold is an offense to true Christians.

After seeing the trash and filth against Arnold and his supporters you post, that takes nerve to talk about "true" Christians. Why don't you go look in the mirror because your statements on here including the lies and insults are not Christianlike. Notice I didn't question your Christian belief either like you have done to all of us who support Arnold!

You have absolutely "zero" right to judge me or anyone else on whether we are Christian or not! It is not your place and frankly I resent your attacks on Arnold supporters like we are the lowest thing on the face of the earth.

Where is your contempt for Cruz -- he supports 100% abortion, no parental notification, but your attacks along with McC's will help elect Cruz if you don't watch out! Your rationale escapes me!

[68 grunt]

You have to understand the context to understand why I don't chase links for people like Robert

I understand why. Because it doesn't help you in your division. You give the same advice as Wormtongue.

[68 grunt]

Pull your head out, and maybe you can understand plain English.

We understand english okay, its lies we can't understand.

[deport]

LOL.............

Well we keep seeing this "true christian", "Pure Conservative", "true conservative"... etc.

I guess someone has made them 'king' to decide for all.

What I'm puzzled about is: [Why is only about 30% or so of the CA conservatives supporting McClintock?] ... [And why is only about 25% of the CA Republicans supporting McClintock?]

Apparently they know something about McClintock that is keeping their suppport for him down. What is it? McClintocks been in CA politics for almost all his adult life and so should be well known within Conservative and Republican party circles..... The numbers are really puzzling.....

[68 grunt]

Again, since you are obviously a Schwarzenegger supporter, what makes you think you are conservative?

You're a bustamecha supporter, what makes you think you're a conservative?

[PhiKapMom]

Have you noticed how they use the all encompassing word that we want to throw "conservatives" out of the Republican Party. That could not be further from the truth as the vast majority of us on here are conservative.

They just don't get it that the rest of us Republican conservatives are fed up with the 2% or less that threaten to boycott an election or see a RAT win because a Republican candidate doesn't meet 100% of their agenda! In the process they are willing to election a DemocRAT that doesn't meet ANY of their agenda to teach us all a lesson.

Well this Republican conservative is getting tired of being taught a lesson by the 2%ers and time for them to either join in supporting Republican candidates against DemocRATs or get out of the way. A primary is one thing and I always try to vote for the most conservative candidate that I feel can "win" a general election. But in the general election, voting for a DemocRAT is not an option!

[68 grunt]

... is a massive offense to me as a Christian.

Awwwww. You, as a Christian, are a massive offense to me.

[68 grunt]

I pray for Arnold -- the pro-abortion man -- to drop like a rock.

Well, lets see how your prayers are answered. God's Will will be done!

[PhiKapMom]

McClintocks been in CA politics for almost all his adult life and so should be well known within Conservative and Republican party circles..... The numbers are really puzzling.....

I think the words "well known" are the operative words in that sentence. They do know Senator McClintok and probably the reason the CA Congressional delegation has endorsed Arnold as well as a lot of conservatives around the State and in the Country.

McC seems to have a reputation of not being a team player in Republican circles -- however much they thought he was "not" a team player before this, they have just had it proven to them that he is worse then thought -- he has an ego that won't quit and is all about himself getting elected or elect a DemocRAT! There is no other option in his mind or his supporters that have clung to he is the only "(fill in the blank)" conservative in the race!

[Wait4Truth]

Maybe the CA Republicans are realistic and understand the real cost of having Bustamonte as governor. Seems to me the critics of AS have no problem with Bustamonte winning. The only goal they have is to keep AS out. These are not Republicans.

[PhiKapMom]

Now they are praying to God to have Arnold lose the election. That beats everything!

Can you explain to me that why they are praying to have Arnold lose who does support the ban on partial birth abortion and parental notification in order to have someone win that is 100% pro-abortion?

There seems to be something missing here!