Posted on 09/19/2003 8:52:17 PM PDT by FairOpinion
American Indians who are supporting Democrat front-runner Cruz Bustamante in California are also promoting Republican state Sen. Tom McClintock, and GOP front-runner Arnold Schwarzenegger is furious.
"I think that as far as Tom McClintock is concerned, I think the question I have for him is, what side is he on?" Schwarzenegger said Thursday. "Is he on the side of the Republicans? Does he represent the Republicans, or does he represent Bustamante?"
Schwarzenegger suggested that the tribes were abetting Bustamante by trying to split the Republican vote.
"They are financing his commercials and TV spots and all that," said Schwarzenegger, who doesn't take money from Indian tribes. "He knows they're financing him not because they want him to be governor. They just want to interfere with the process so that Bustamante wins. He has to decide which side is he on, the Republicans' or Bustamante's."
McClintock called Schwarzenegger's comments "a ridiculous statement by a man who obviously hasn't paid much attention to California public affairs. ... For 20 years, I have fought to protect sovereignty on reservation lands, well before there was gaming.
"If they wanted to hurt Schwarzenegger, they would be making an independent expenditure to hurt Schwarzenegger, and Lord knows there's plenty they could hurt him with."
Assemblyman John Benoit, R-Palm Desert, a Schwarzenegger supporter, told the Riverside Press-Enterprise: "I think the idea of divide and conquer is a tried and true tactic. I can't speak for the Indians, but if there was somebody looking to help Bustamante, this would be the way to do it."
Laughable, coming from a supporter of the Pharisee of the Republican Party.
Pardon me if your question was in fact rhetorical. In the context of the present discussion, it certainly seemed so.
For the record, this the tribal review bill is State Senate Bill 18, and as near as I can tell, McClintock did not bother to vote on it.
There seems to be a veritable tidal wave of legislation, questionable or otherwise, which is emanating from Scat'to these days. I will admit to not having read every single bill, including this one. My overall impression of the sacred sites stuff in most of its current various incarnations, fwiw, is that it is very, very bad for California property rights. And I believe I've gone on record here on FR about that, if you care to look it up. But none of that implies that McClintock favors the sacred sites bill. The original intention of the California legislature was that it should be part time, and of course, governing least in the philosophical sense. The current legislature has departed radically from that original theme. As you may be aware, the legislature is currently dominated by Democrats to the point that unanimity in Republican opposition at the roll call level serves no practical purpose, since the bills will be passed by the (D) majority anyway. Considering all this, what is your point, if you have one?
Are Republicans who supported Prop 1A traitors? I never said that. However, they have very poor judgement and have essentially shot themselves in the foot. Indian tribes are now giving tens of millions to Rat causes and are using this largess to solidify their political power base.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing. I myself have reservations (pardon the bad and unintended pun) about Indian gaming and special exemptions for Indian reservations for campaign spending. It does apply to both sides of the aisle, though. At this point, I am not sure that it can be used to condemn one side over another or one candidate over another. Or???
Final question. If they are "soveriegn nations" why are they allowed to participate in our political process?
soveriegn sovereign
The Indians are still US citizens and as such can vote. They fought in WW II, they can get drafted, own property, open up businesses, run for political office, enter the decathalon on behalf of the US in the Olympics, and yada yada. I think the sovereign nation stuff is a holdover of a form of collective rights granted to individual Indian tribes way back when the US was still fighting the Indians on the frontiers. So there is historical and legal baggage going back a long time. If I had been living then, I'm not convinced that I or anyone else could have handled the situation much better. With all the Bury-My-Heart-At-Wounded-Knee history of genocide against the Indian nations, and all the subsequent BIA corruption and court shenanigans to avoid recognizing and upgrading the status of other Indian nations to the tribal status they deserve up through to the present time, I would not be too surprised if they still get the short end of the stick compared to their status here, say, 200 years ago.
Who is "twisting"? The fact that McWampum is taking money from the same people who funded Gray Davis is incontrovertible and out there for anyone to find. The only "twisting" going on here is people like you, who are desperately trying to avoid talking about the fact that McClintock got caught with his hand in the Gray Davis cookie jar and is paying the price for it.
CALIFORNIA STATE REPUBLICAN PARTY OVERWHELMINGLY ENDORSES PROP 1A - THE INDIAN SELF RELIANCE AMENDMENT
Notice that none of them have dared to reply?
And the group backing SchwarzenKennedy also backs Hillary Klinton, Bill Klinton, the Kennedys, and the DNC in General.
Your point is?
You all are fulfilling every requirement needed for the title Pharisee, especially on this particular point.
I have to leave for awhile, but when I come back I'll be looking for your condemnation of Arnold for taking Buffett's blood money.
While the tribal gaming groups have the support and endorsement of the California Republican Party.
The Arnold apologists are in shock.
They got pretty far out there on that limb before it busted, didn't they...
Vote for him...convince other reticent conservatives to vote for him...deal in issues, give answers to questions...have a conservative policy and follow it...demand the CRNC support a conservative this time...and get the conservative message out!
Never said it'd be easy, but that is what SchwarzenKennedy is selling...easy politics, with no thought or effort. Star Power versus Taxpayer Power.
Conservatives should not shrink from a fight, because Conservatism isn't just platitudes to be discarded after you've suckered the Voters, it's a philosophy and way of life.
It requires effort, and commitment, and faith that what is right will win when shown to the public. Can YOU do what is required to win, not wait for the win to be handed to you?
OK, proof....if SchwarzenKennedy's supporters would all vote for McClintock, he'd win. But we all know they won't...just like all of McClintock's supporters won't vote for SchwarzenKennedy.
Politics ain't a bean bag toss...vote your beliefs.
Note the position by the vocal SchwarzenKennedy supporters...Christians need not apply, principled voters need not apply, Conservatives need not apply!
It seems that the Arn-holes have more and more in common with the demonRATs every day!
Chirp chirp chirp...
;-)
Give Cruz Bustamante my warmest regards (said "warmest regards" being a hand with the middle finger extended).
What is required to win is to present a candidate for whom more people will vote than the other guys. And McWampum simply doesn't qualify. Arnold Schwarzenegger does.
Simple Politics 101. I find it incredible that the Tombots still don't get it.
So, there are no demonRAT voters who want their taxes lowered, the corruption out, and fiscal responsibility restored, and the illegal Infiltrator issue dealt with? If they want Davis/BustaMEChA, they'd support them!
Is that why they are supporting SchwarzenKennedy? Because he gives them what BustaMEChA will?
I don't buy it. SchwarzenKennedy's support is all Star-Struck smoke and mirrors, and RINOs/CINOs/Country Clubbers that want the Rockefeller days to come again! Which is why he's avoided any debates where he'd have to answer tough and inconvenient questions.
Crossovers will be like the Reagan demonRATs, and that is the truth. People interested in stopping the plunge over the cliff will support the candidate thatactually STOPS the progress towards the cliff. McClintock is the ONLY candidate talking issues that the public wants to have solved!
The RINOs/CINOs/Country Clubbers have already shown in past elections that they will not support the conservative candidate...the Conservatives are drawing a line in the sand, and will not BOHICA this time!
No true conservative should be on the sidelines in this fight, and no one should vote just for the "win"
Not on Free Republic.
What you are describing is a beauty contest, since BOTH SIDES in your version (SchwarzenKennedy and BustaMEChA) are exactly the same on positions, support, and ideas.
Where is the SUBSTANCE to vote on? Do I have to post again the differnt position that SchwarzenKennedy and McClintock actually have, and how SchwarzenKennedy and BustaMEChA/Davis are more alike than dislike?
Or would you just ignore that and let out the RINO mating cry "But he can Wiiiin!"?
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