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Wes Clark's bad day (MUST READ---Weasley Crumbling At The Starting Gate)
Salon.Com ^ | September 19, 2003 | Joan Walsh

Posted on 09/19/2003 6:01:44 PM PDT by PJ-Comix

Sept. 19, 2003 | I'm not ready to declare Wesley Clark's candidacy doomed after his embarrassing afternoon of free-association with political reporters Thursday, but it's kind of tempting. It's tempting because Clark's melange of candor and equivocation and "probablys" and "I'm not sures" captured in the interviews, most notably on the enormous and divisive issue of Iraq, showed he's not ready for prime time. And it's tempting because it would just feel good, in a way. A dead-in-the-water Clark candidacy would be a great rebuke to party big shots who are trying to foist him on Democrats because he's more "electable" than Howard Dean or John Kerry. We're going to see about that. It should be interesting.

It's not time for panic about the Clark campaign, or rage about the top-down groundswell behind him, only questions: What was the retired general spending his time on in the last three months, while the world knew he was only his wife's blessing away from declaring his candidacy? Wasn't there a minute to catch up on the Brady Bill, to figure out whether he'd have voted for the Iraq war declaration in Congress last October and exactly why, to research whether or not he voted in 1972 -- "I hope I voted then," he said, "and I would have voted for [Richard] Nixon." And why are party big shots so enamored of this politically untested general who admittedly performed well in CNN studios but doesn't seem ready for the rough and tumble of campaign trail journalism?

It wasn't the political positions Clark stated that were disturbing as much as the apparent lack of thought behind them. His confessing that despite his doubts about the Iraq war he "probably" would have supported the resolution in Congress isn't indefensible -- John Kerry made the same decision for much the same reason (although he's finding the nuances of his choice tough to defend politically). What's disturbing is Clark's appearing to have hardly thought about it much until now, and the vacillating way he defended his position once he took it.

A moment after saying he'd probably have voted for the resolution, he added, "I don't know if I would have or not. I've said it both ways because when you get into this, what happens is you have to put yourself in a position -- on balance, I probably would have voted for it." But later, talking about Howard Dean's opposition to the resolution, Clark said, "I think he's right. That in retrospect we should never have gone in there. I didn't want to go in there either."

The most surreal moment came when the Iraq questions were getting tougher, and Clark called for his press aide Mary Jacoby. "Mary, help!" the retired general cried, in a moment that could define him, and not as the tough military leader his supporters tout him as. The soothing Jacoby reminded Clark, "You said you would have voted for the resolution as leverage for a U.N.-based solution."

"Right," Clark responded. "Exactly."

There were other omissions and equivocations in his interview, which was conducted on his campaign jet with Adam Nagourney of the New York Times, the Washington Post's Joanna Weiss and Johanna Neuman of the Los Angeles Times. (Only Nagourney's account, by the way, included the exchange with Mary Jacoby.) Clark pronounced himself a staunch supporter of the Second Amendment and admitted he didn't really know what the Brady Bill did or whether change was needed to it. He suggested he would probably oppose President Bush's request for $87 billion to rebuild Iraq, but didn't give specifics about what he would support.

And later, in an interview with the Miami Herald, he seemed to endorse a moratorium on the death penalty, because there has been "a lot of discrimination and a lot of injustice," and suggested cases be reviewed with DNA evidence. But when the reporters asked if he'd back a halt to executions, they noted, "Clark sat up straight. 'Stop. Stop,' he said. 'I promised I wasn't going to take a strong position.'" He defended his lack of policy prescriptions and "strong positions" by noting that he only made his decision to run on Monday, VandeHei noted, and asked that voters give him time to think things through.

I couldn't help thinking that the general is sounding a little like Arnold Schwarzenegger, another political newcomer who's been short on specifics and has asked voters for their patience. Of course, Clark lacks many of Schwarzenegger's negatives -- his notorious past with women, for instance -- and he deserves credit for meeting with the nation's toughest political reporters on his first day on the trail (he gets points for courage, but not for judgment, given how green he seemed). But there's something arrogant and entitled about both of them, who seem to think their star power should make up for their lack of clarity about policy and inexperience with elective office. Voters haven't been charmed by Schwarzenegger; we'll see if they're wowed by Clark.

I would never vote for Schwarzenegger, of course, and I may still vote for Clark. But Thursday's performance confirmed my worst fears, not about the general, but about the party elders who've decided Howard Dean's a bad frontrunner and John Kerry is toast. I might be able to live with their decision if they were right, and if they brought forth a candidate head and shoulders above either man. But they don't seem to have managed that. In ABC's "The Note" this morning, one angry Democrat is quoted anonymously savaging the draft-Clark pooh-bahs in the darkest tones.

"I have read the accounts of the Clark interviews and my reaction is despair and anger. Why did my party's best operatives think it would be a good idea to subject their neophyte candidate to the country's savviest reporters for over an hour? Why have my party's elders rallied around a candidate who is so shockingly uninformed about core issues and his own positions? I am not a Dean supporter -- but I am angry that our party's leaders have anointed an alternative to him who seems even more ignorant and unprepared -- and that this supposed 'anti-war' candidate turns out to have been in favor of both the war resolution and Richard Nixon!! And let's not even talk about the Clintons. Today I am embarrassed to be a Democrat."

And while that angry Democrat isn't a Dean supporter, expect the Deanites to be even more outraged. As Moveon.org's Eli Pariser told Salon's Eric Boehlert this week, there's a civil war brewing between the Democratic base and its loud Dean component, and party elites associated with the Democratic Leadership Council and the consultants clustered around the Clinton-Gore campaigns, who think Dean's too radical to be elected. A couple of more stumbles like Clark's on Thursday, and the Dean folks will be even more furious that their man, who fought to be the frontrunner on the tough field of campaign battle, is being dismissed for a supposedly antiwar general who can't clearly articulate his own stand on the Iraq resolution, which was a defining moment for this generation of Democrats.

It's too early to pronounce Clark's candidacy gravely wounded. But he took some self-inflicted fire yesterday, and it's not a good sign. And the sniping from fellow Democrats -- let alone the Bush machine -- hasn't yet begun. Let's hope he has a better battle plan when the race gets going for real, or else a campaign he was hoping would be as successful as his Kosovo crusade could turn out to be more like Iraq.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; billclinton; flipflop; howarddean; maryhelp; weasely; wesleyclark; wesleykanne
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To: PJ-Comix
John Kerrey didn't have such a good day either. He's caught on tape going after Howard Dean.

http://wcbs.dayport.com/viewer/viewerpage.php?Art_ID=5618&tf=chtopsviewer.tpl

Of course, it does look like Kerrey must have known the camera was still rolling...like he wanted to get his insults out, but be able to claim he didn't know the mike was loaded.

Julian Epstein was on Scarborough tonight attacking the CBS reporter who showed Kerrey's rough comments about Howard Dean.

61 posted on 09/19/2003 8:17:41 PM PDT by YaYa123 (@Hillary Will Not Run In 04, She Said So, I Believe Her...What Kind Of Fool Am I.com)
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To: Jorge
His only practical use is to knock Dean off the front pages.

I am kind of fascinated by Clark's entry. He isn't going to budge Dean supporters and I don't see him taking more than few points from Lieberman or Kerry, further fracturing the Dems hope for consensus on someone other than Dean. I could forgive the guy for not having a well thought out plan on any number of issues, but how could he be at a loss to come out swinging with a solid position on post-war Iraq?

I continue to be cynical enough to believe there is an intended purpose and that it was drawn up in the Clinton camp. Right now it seems to be to solidify Dean's victory.

62 posted on 09/19/2003 8:18:17 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: PJ-Comix
In the tradition of "No controlling legal authority", "What your definition of is is" and "I didn't inhale", we have a worthy successor in....

"MARY, HELP!"

Classic. Let's repeat it often.

63 posted on 09/19/2003 8:18:46 PM PDT by Jhensy
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To: PJ-Comix
like Arnold Schwarzenegger, another political newcomer who's been short on specifics

OH? Check this out

64 posted on 09/19/2003 8:20:33 PM PDT by fella
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To: PJ-Comix
Clark is a victim of a new form of Arkancide… Brain Dead.
65 posted on 09/19/2003 8:25:27 PM PDT by auboy (my tag line is slowly being eate<')))>{{)
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To: Dolphy
you may be right about clark's role. hrc and bill may want him to fracture the vote, so that no victor emerges. then hrc can move in for the nomination at the convention.
66 posted on 09/19/2003 8:36:38 PM PDT by drhogan
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To: PJ-Comix
Sure makes you wonder why the Clintons choose these stumbling bumblebees?
67 posted on 09/19/2003 8:44:01 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: Great Dane; BobS
An earlier thread regarding Clinton firing Clark, has Clinton spinning,..uh,.. telling Clark, that he was snookered into firing Clark, by higher-ups at the Pentagon, who wanted to install a good friend of Cohen's. Same old, same old...
68 posted on 09/19/2003 9:04:44 PM PDT by baseballmom (Baseball is life - the rest is just details)
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To: drhogan
you may be right about clark's role. hrc and bill may want him to fracture the vote, so that no victor emerges. then hrc can move in for the nomination at the convention.

No, that's a losing move for Hillary! A nomination won at a brokered convention isn't worth having. If the Clintons are trying to fracture the Dem base, then the purpose is to make sure that whoever the eventual nominee is will lose in 2004, so that the runway will be clear for Hillary! in 2008.

69 posted on 09/19/2003 10:20:06 PM PDT by Brandon
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To: Kozak
Clark's CPU doesn't handle difficult questions well.

He needs to return to HHQ (Hillary Headquarters) for a software upgrade.
70 posted on 09/19/2003 10:35:26 PM PDT by .cnI redruM (There are two certainties. Death and Texas.)
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To: PJ-Comix
So the lesson here apparently is that Clark looks good from 50,000 feet, but can't handle himself well on the ground. Just like Kosovo.

-PJ

71 posted on 09/19/2003 10:52:26 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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To: PJ-Comix
"Today I am embarrassed to be a Democrat."

Hold that thought, muffin. :)

72 posted on 09/20/2003 12:57:30 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("The Clintons have damaged our country. They have done it together, in unison." -- Peggy Noonan)
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To: gov_bean_ counter
Weesly Clark is another (DDD)doomed demo doofus.
You are right, it is a new day, not only are concerned Citizens looking for "strong" positions but for real solutions. We went to dinner tonight with another couple who are very Liberal, somewhat educated, heavily degreed, transplants from Vermont via NJ & MD to the heart of the South, Charleston, SC. We, wife and I, are close friends with the other couple and do enjoy their company.
To maintain our marital blitz as well as our sanity, my wife and I have agreed not to start a discussion about "Politics" in social gatherings....but if someone else initiates the discussion, all bets are off. Needless to say, when our friends started touting Howie Dean and acting violated by GWB the fireworks started, even my wife, a transplant from NYC jumped into the fray....it was hilarious. Memorable comments were "I don't know what you are reading but you should read something else to get the facts and Why are you making apologies for being a Citizen of the greatest Nation on earth, part of the greatest civilisation (Western Civ.), when you should be proud and support freedom of the individual. And...the most ignorant comment was, "We would pay more taxes gladly to help EduKation, Peace, Environment, Bums....etc.(my response; you should write the IRS another check, just don't ask others to do so). By the end of the evening, we are still friends and I am looking forward to the next conversation because of this comment/promise/threat: "Next time I will be better prepared to discuss & debate the issues".he he he. Rant On / Let's Roll!
73 posted on 09/20/2003 1:19:43 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero)
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To: arasina
I could see him in the Peter Sellers role, in a remake of "Being There." You can have a high IQ and still be really stupid.
74 posted on 09/20/2003 1:43:56 AM PDT by 185JHP ( "This Train don't carry no scammers - no AlSharptons, no midnight ramblers - This Train.")
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To: PJ-Comix
Kool-Aid is the one for kids.

Not at Jonestown.

Nor at the Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test

75 posted on 09/20/2003 3:04:18 AM PDT by I_dmc
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To: Iowa Granny
Hilly and Billy's plan going off like clockwork... After watching this trainwreck I'm convinced that the clinton's are making sure dems lose so she has a clear shot at 2008.

Can you think of anyone on the planet more self serving than the clintons?

76 posted on 09/20/2003 8:48:47 AM PDT by BigWaveBetty (Lefties = Failuremongers)
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To: PJ-Comix
I'm facinated by the Democrats obsession with military service. I think there must be a large chunk of them who don't know many veterans. If they did they'd realize that most of them want nothing to do defeatist policies.
77 posted on 09/20/2003 9:36:37 AM PDT by MattAMiller
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To: arasina
I'm beginning to think there's going to be dirt emerging on Wesley that involves a mental hospital or many, many trips to a psychiatrist.

Hmmm.... I do see some similarities between Weasley and Captain Queeg. And in both cases their orders were NOT carried out because the officers under them concluded their commanders were NUTS.

78 posted on 09/20/2003 4:16:02 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (A Stitch In Time Won't Save You A Dime But At Least It Makes This Dopey Saying Rhyme.)
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