CA: Tribes ply competitors with campaign donations

Contra Costa Times ^ | 9/18/03 | Don Thompson - AP

[NormsRevenge]

Bustamante --- $3.24 million.. Yet, everyone on another thread today is bashing Tom over 100K.. :-\ chump change, imo.

Arnold won't accept money from Indian tribes, but has no problem taking camapign donations from any number of special interests.

[NormsRevenge]

Heads Up South Bay Area FReepers and concerned & PO'ed citizens elsewhere

Saturday, September 20th, 11am

San Jose's Cesar Chavez Park (across from Fairmont Hotel)

STOP Judicial Tyranny ... NOW Rally

Save OUR Recall Election from the 9th Circus Court of Meddlers!!!

A local small business owner from Melanie Morgan Hill, the initiator, will be there with sign in hand.

Please come out & show your fellow California citizens how you feel about a Federal Court meddling in a state election.

If punch card ballots were good enough to elect the bum, Why are they not good enough to toss da bum out?

Creativity as always is greatly appreciated.

See you there!!! Thanks!

[NormsRevenge]

Methinks the Arnold supporters are "pumping up" the donations to Tom. ;-)

[tubebender]

Why aren't the tribes spending more money on the resevations to bring basic industries and real job creation...

[SierraWasp]

"...politicians might soon find themselves simply asking tribes how the state should be run."

This is EXACTLY the plot of the John Ritter movie/satire in 1978 called "Americathon" that ridiculed Jimmy Carter's inept stagflation and energy crisis. Classic!!! (with the national debt owed entirely to a tribal chieftan who sponsored a telethon to retire it with Ritter playing Jerry Lewis)

I am unhappy over Tom accepting these contributions, but I guess he'll need 'em if the election is postponed by Dem "judges!"

[tophat9000]

Tom has bake the tribes for 20 years back when thay had nothing... because “they were promised ..it there land”...Tom also supports the 2nt amendment .... is he being bought by the Gun Lobby?

[NormsRevenge]

Hey, arianna said she is going to start an initiative to stop the campaign donations and have public funding of campaigns.

Cruz laughed but said he would support it as well as Peter.

Tom asked the question and aimed a direct jab at Cruz, "You want to do it now while we have a massive state budget deficit ? What about the sacred programs that would suffer as a result of such a move?

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[Publius6961]

Yeah.

Keep the conservative pundits and self-styled experts busy arguing the Bustamante-Arnold-McClintock issue. Beat that ol' dead horse.

While Davis waltzes away from a recall.
Morons.

I have not heard the word "recall" once on conservative talk radio for a few days now.

Hello? Any other discussions are irrelevant if the recall fails.

D'OH!

[tophat9000]

Oddly taking a stand on an issue on principal can be a problem if someday the beneficiary of that issue someday has money and donates

Republican get bashed over the head for supporting the 2nt amendment because the NRA donates... the left then implies where being bought by the “Gun Lobby”

Manny Frepper where against the antitrust action on Microsoft on principal I don’t think it implies there where being bought by Microsoft.

The major thing I look for is if a position moves to follow the money Tom has had the same position on the tribes for 20 years... poor or rich ..Tom's stand ..they were given the reservation land and promise it was there own nation so leave them alone... I think any true conservatives would whole heartily support that stand

Conversely I still have a very bad feeling about Arnold and Buffet.... I think Warren is in there to protect his interest... and screw us and the state.... we still need to know more about Warren, energy companies and what interests they might have in California.... the energy contracts are the big graft issue in California

[NormsRevenge]

While Davis waltzes away from a recall.

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ExPect a major barrage on Davi$ the last few days before the election, if it doesn't get delayed, that IS.

[RGSpincich]

Speaking of referendums. There was a guy last January who held a press conference and said that he had the ability to stop the car tax by referendum. He said he would do so and that Sacramento would not see one cent of new car tax money.

This, of course, did not happen and the car tax is here. Can you name the individual who made these claims? And why should we believe this guy now?



The following statement seems to have disappeared from his site. Thanks to Google it was saved.

http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:idinsTX69ssJ:www.tommcclintock.com/news/sp20030127a.cfm+referendum+%22mcclintock%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Referendum on the Car Tax Increase

January 23, 2003 • Statement by Senator Tom McClintock



Thank you for coming.

The purpose of this press conference is very simply to put the legislature and the governor on notice that they should not expect to see a penny from increased car taxes if they adopt AB 4X.

If the Democrats want the biggest statewide tax revolt in 24 years, this is the quickest way to get it.

Within minutes of that measure being chaptered, the paperwork will be filed with the Secretary of State to referend it. This will automatically suspend the act for 90 days.

We have with us today representatives of the major grassroots taxpayer organizations in the state, who are already pledged to make a referendum of the car tax their top priority. I can certainly pledge the statewide campaign structure that I have built during my campaign for the state controller's office. And I intend to request the formal support of the California Republican Party as well.

It will require 373,000 signatures to qualify the referendum, at which time the effect of the tax increase will be stayed until the next election. At that time, the people will have the opportunity to reject the tax increase, which I believe they will do overwhelmingly.

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So those who vote for this bill should be on notice not to expect a penny from this tax. The filing and qualification of the referendum will stay the effect of this bill until the people of California have the opportunity to soundly repudiate it. And then they will have the opportunity to repudiate the politicians who sought to triple their car taxes.


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[onyx]

WOWSER! What a catch! This is news to me!

*pinging* ya-all to RGS's #12.

[EggsAckley]

Why aren't the tribes spending more money on the resevations to bring basic industries and real job creation...

Because this "tribal" money is most likely coming from Nevada.

[Tamzee]

Interesting info, thanks!

I still think McClintock has more of the right stances, just none of Arnold's ability to win and push the stances through. And it is frustrating to have McClintock held up as absolutely perfect when he is absolutely not ;-)

[68 grunt]

Methinks the Arnold supporters are "pumping up" the donations to Tom.

Were this true, and it were the x-tremes which were doing the donating, I think its wonderful. I would like for them to contribute more and more and more and more and deplete all of their expendible income on a wasted cause. Then maybe they might not be able to pollute the next election process so badly.

[b9]

RGS's #12

OMG
Nothin' could be sweeter
than to have a useful leader
Vote for A.a.a.a.a.r.n.o.l.d !

[b9]

how absolutely true :o)

[NormsRevenge]

I intend to request the formal support of the California Republican Party as well.

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Nice try. I don't suppose the fact that the CA Republican Party fell flat on its face on this matters either. You really hate Tom, don't you? Keep it up. Your boy, Arnold , if and when he wins will not be the bearer of anything pleasant eitehr, but you won't go there. It's called reality. Try it sometime.

At least Tom, was willing to put his head on the block.

What promises is Arnold making that he will also fail to act on or deliver on?

[tophat9000]

Speaking of referendums. There was a guy last January who held a press conference and said that he had the ability to stop the car tax by referendum. He said he would do so and that Sacramento would not see one cent of new car tax money.

This, of course, did not happen and the car tax is here. Can you name the individual who made these claims? And why should we believe this guy now?

The following statement seems to have disappeared from his site. Thanks to Google it was saved.

Ah you may want to check your fact on what happen on the stop the car tax by referendum... The dems pulled a unique stunt to block a referendum .. and Tom team got redirect in to the recall..... Where was Arnold?

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From..http://democrats.assembly.ca.gov/members/a55/News/an552003027.htm

Los Angeles Times
Assembly Says Car Fee Must Go Up for Budget to Go Down
Date: January 29, 2003
By Evan Halper
Times Staff Writer

SACRAMENTO -- The Assembly voted Tuesday to cut $3.5 billion from the state budget adopted in September, but only if Gov. Gray Davis agrees to an increase in the license fee on most motor vehicles.

Rather than their earlier plan to triple the vehicle license fee across the board, Democrats proposed -- and the Assembly approved -- applying the increase only to vehicles worth more than $5,000.

The Democrats argued that the change means they are proposing to impose a "levy" -- not a fee -- which under state law cannot be reversed by referendum.

The move set off a furor among Republicans. "This is a gimmick," said Assemblyman Guy Houston (R-Livermore). "It is not about exempting the poor. It is about exempting the voters."

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From....http://www.dailybulletin.com/Stories/0,1413,203%257E21481%257E1143072,00.html

Republicans rebuffed in budget battle
Assembly passes car-tax hike and prevents voters overturning it
By DAVID M. DRUCKER, STAFF WRITER

SACRAMENTO - Tuesday was an exercise in futility for Inland Valley Republicans, who watched Assembly Democrats attach spending cuts to a $4 billion car-tax hike and pass it in a way that prevents voters from overturning it by referendum.

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From....http://www.davisrecall.com/about/battle.cfm

The Battle of the Recall: Read How it Began.....

For the Republicans, the car tax is an issue that stimulates images of a ready militia. Under the direction of Col. (Sen.) Tom McClintock, over 5,000 citizens (The State of California Tax Militia) volunteered to operate the gathering of signatures for a referendum on the car tax. Over 5,000 volunteers in less than a week with only talk radio as the outlet—makes one wonder what will happen when talk radio is afforded 160 days to encourage 890,000 signatures for a recall. I'm sure it makes the governor wonder too!