Michigan Militia and Landowner Vow Armed Defense of Property

Grand Rapids Press ^ | 9/17/03

[Stew Padasso]

Your words not mine.

"You and your government hating buddys."

Who would that be?

[FourPeas]

Why post such blatantly incorrect headline?

It gets attention? Perhaps it's lacking in other parts of his life.

[Between the Lines]

There is nothing in the constitution that prohibits the states from zoning. It is a state or local issue. I will agree that the founders considered property rights fundamental, but nowhere in the constitution did we authorize the federal government to get into such matters. Neither did we prohibit the states from passing such laws.

Lyle Barkley maintains that his property is "patent land" granted to the initial owner in 1871 by President U.S. Grant, and as such he has rights to do with his property as he wants, irrespective of zoning laws. But unlike many who hold patent land and dispute any governmental authority over it, Barkley said he does not challenge the right of government to tax his land.

"I pay my taxes," he said. "But Judge May called my personal property junk, and so I feel I don't have to pay taxes on junk."

[A Broken Glass Republican]

Who would that be?

Your basic black helicopter fearing kook.

[Stew Padasso]

[Between the Lines]

With people like this are representing RKBA, it's no wonder the gun grabbers have so many successes.

From another article on this subject:

Charlevoix County Sheriff George T. Lasater said on one previous occasion in the county several years ago a half dozen armed members of a militia group did back a landowner, but the matter was settled peacefully.

The county backed down in this previous dispute. And guess who was there to help this man years ago? None other than the subject of this article, Lyle Barkley.

[Between the Lines]

A home which is exempt under the grandfather exception becomes subject to the law when it is modified.

You must have missed the part in my post where it said that he had tried to talk to the township on what was needed to bring his current home up to code and they refused to talk to him.

Looking at the photo you included in your posting, I can't think of a place in the country that would permit it.

You are obviously not from the South. Here is a picture of the other home the township wants removed.

[GrandEagle]

Lyle Barkley maintains
I'll have to admit that I have not read Lyle Barkley. I would be interested in his viewpoints.

[GrandEagle]

My last post
Hanging my hea in shame.....
Lyle is the topic of discussion....
Trying to work and discuss at the same time.

[11th Earl of Mar]

All People are equal under the law according to wealth.

There are plenty of wealthy people in Petosky. And I have never seen the county allow them to nail a trailer to the side of their house and call it an addition.

All people ARE equal. And all people should obey the laws.

[11th Earl of Mar]

Michigan Militia and Landowner Vow Armed Defense of Property

Why post such blatantly incorrect headline?

Sorry. I missed a semi-colon.

The title should have read:

Michigan: Militia and Landowner Vow Armed Defense of Property

[N3WBI3]

"Hannity was all whining, "BUT HE HAS A RIGHT TO FLY THE AMERICAN FLAG". Apparently for Mr Hannity, there are times when it is OK to violate the rule of law."

Flying the flag was not breaking the law, a HoA does not have the weight of law and one can not recind their rights to free speech. In order for this to be breaking the law it would have to violate a local ordinance, or prove a substancial breech of contract (I doubt very much there are no people with 'butterfly' or other decirative things on their property).

[Leatherneck_MT]

If enough people determine that the law is wrong then yes they can change it through civil disobedience.

What in the hell do you think all of that crap during the 60's was? It was rebellion against jim crow laws that were on the books.

These were Laws. Were the people who practiced civil disobediance any LESS wrong then? Or is it just when white guys break the law that it becomes wrong?

You tell me. Both are cases of Civil Disobediance towards establhished laws.

When the law is wrong it's wrong and when the government cannot be convinced to remove said law then civil disobediance is the ONLY choice.

[11th Earl of Mar]

You just don't get it do you?
I would argue that you just don't get it.
Zoning laws are a local event.

Isn't it interesting that people who believe in the 10th Amendment GIVING STATES THEIR RIGHTS, also believe that local governments DO NOT have any rights.

[11th Earl of Mar]

HoA does not have the weight of law and one can not recind their rights to free speech.

No one took away the homeowners right to free speech. The HOA simply required that his "free speech" must hang from a flag pole attached to the house.

[Between the Lines]

Zoning laws in some instances can be abused. But they are not evil.
It is zoning laws that keep a chicken farm from being inserted into a residential neighborhood. It is a zoning law that keeps the property next door from becoming a commercial trash dump. It is a zoning law that requires a buffer zone between a chemical producing plant and the nearby elementary school.

Zoning laws are not needed. They are but another way that government meddles in our affairs. Houston, TX the third largest city in the US has no zoning laws. Yet its development is not unlike that of any other urban city. To prevent unwanted development restrictive titles are used. This in affect has put the power back into the hands of landowners and has freed the city from having an expensive zoning department. Philadelphia is comparable in size to Houston. While Houston spends $0 on zoning Philadelphia spends $1.3 million a year just on the zoning department and another $1.2 billion a year on lawsuits.

[GrandEagle]

Isn't it interesting
I find that interesting too. I suppose that their view is of an all elastic streaching and contracting Constitution that means anything, everything, and nothing all at the same time.

[Gargantua]

"Sound like trailer park trash to me. I hope he gets what is coming to him..."

How very thoughtfully deliberative of you, not to mention compassionate. At least you didn't jump to any harsh judgement of the guy based upon one article from a liberal trash-rag.

[Between the Lines]

All People are equal under the law according to wealth.

That would be funny if it were not all too often true.

[11th Earl of Mar]

Zoning laws are not needed.

Then, this being America, you are free to move somewhere that has no zoning laws.

I can give you some counties in Michigan you can move to. And if you have six or eight trailer homes to put on your one acre parcel, you should fit right in.

You might even be able to drain your toilet water into a nearby stream also.