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Analysis: Schwarzenegger Increasingly Seen by GOP as Party's Best Bet
Sacramento Bee ^ | September 15, 2003 | Amy Chance

Posted on 09/15/2003 10:01:33 PM PDT by pogo101

Edited on 04/12/2004 5:57:47 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

LOS ANGELES -- It was only last year that many state Republican Party activists were opting to back newcomer Bill Simon over former Los Angeles Mayor Richard Riordan.

Though Riordan was widely considered the more electable of the two, he had consorted politically with Democrats for years, and Simon sided with the party's conservative activists on social issues. Their pick won the nomination only to lose the general election to Gov. Gray Davis.


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TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; mcclintock; recall; schwarzenegger; totalreality
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To: doodlelady
Hey, that's GOOD! ;-)
61 posted on 09/16/2003 2:59:42 AM PDT by onyx
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To: onyx
thank you :o)
62 posted on 09/16/2003 3:07:06 AM PDT by b9
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To: PhilDragoo; autoresponder; yall
So I wonder how this is all gonna play out now that the
9th Circus Court has stuck their nose into this mess ??

Is SCOTUS going to slap them down ?? When will we know ?
Enquiring minds wanna know ...

Thinking of voting for McClintock instead of for Arnold ?? (post #544) ...

Cruz 'for me everything, for you, nada da** thing' Bustamante ...


Separated at birth ?? ...

“Bajez?! We don' need no steenkin' bajez!!”

http://mrgrumman.home.comcast.net/Stinkin.wav ...
(May need to click several times to make it work) ...


63 posted on 09/16/2003 3:13:03 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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To: autoresponder
Thanks ! #63 ...

64 posted on 09/16/2003 3:15:18 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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To: doodlelady
LOL, first chuckle of the day, likely to be the last for a good while! Well done!

Dan
65 posted on 09/16/2003 5:19:57 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: NormsRevenge
I couldn't agree more, Lee would run him thru the ringer, but Lee runs everyone thru the ringer. Good Old Uncle Ree ;-)

LOL. Sometimes Lee is too full of himself and what he thinks. I've switched the station more than once over the years when he gets on one of his "high horse" rants. He pulls that Clintonian "I-know-better-than-you-pedestrians" attitude. Yech.

However, they need to do their part in uniting this party on one front. Of course, handing the election to Bustamante will give them lots of future material with which to work.

Cheers, CC :)

66 posted on 09/16/2003 5:56:20 AM PDT by CheneyChick (Impeach the 9th Circuit - www.JoinArnold.com)
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To: doodlelady
Wow. DFU has some competition! Nice work, doodlelady!
67 posted on 09/16/2003 6:00:55 AM PDT by CheneyChick (Impeach the 9th Circuit - www.JoinArnold.com)
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To: pogo101; Tamsey; My2Cents; EggsAckley; redlipstick; South40; CheneyChick; FairOpinion
You know, here's something I haven't seen discussed yet. Look at this, then my comment:

Though Riordan was widely considered the more electable of the two, he had consorted politically with Democrats for years, and Simon sided with the party's conservative activists on social issues. Their pick won the nomination only to lose the general election to Gov. Gray Davis.

You know, as I do, that THE commonly-held view is that Simon lost because he was too conservative. Myself, I don't believe that at all. I think he lost because he (A) took (B) TERRIBLE advice. He ran a BAD campaign, the media was all over him, and he was unprepared to respond.

But that's not the point.

The point is that MOST people THINK he lost because he was too conservative. Simon's disastrous campaign was a setback for conservatism in California.

So now McC is running a divisive, petty campaign against the Republican frontrunner. He's losing, and trying to take Schwarzenegger with him. If he were to overtake Schwarzenegger (never happen in this election) he would lose. It would be said (wrongly) that this is because a conservative could never win in California. If McC stays in and siphons off enough votes to elect Bustamante, it will be said that this is because he was too conservative, and conservatives are too selfish and divisive to work together and win office.

Either way, McClintock is BAD for conservatism.

Dan

68 posted on 09/16/2003 6:53:47 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: BibChr
The point is that MOST people THINK he lost because he was too conservative. Simon's disastrous campaign was a setback for conservatism in California.

You do have a point. The general thinking is that the libs would eat an ultra-conservative alive and permanently damage any hopes of a political office of high rank for a future conservative in CA.

69 posted on 09/16/2003 7:18:02 AM PDT by CheneyChick (Impeach the 9th Circuit - www.JoinArnold.com)
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To: BibChr
So now McC is running a divisive, petty campaign against the Republican frontrunner. He's losing, and trying to take Schwarzenegger with him.

Here's where you change from logic to emotion in your arguments. You are imputing facts not in evidence. How do you know what McC's intent is? How do you know in advance what the result must be, historically? You are making a pre-judgement, and although it may be pragmatic pre-judgement, it is not clear-- you have yet to establish and justify the necessity-- that a judgement needs to be made at this moment.

If he were to overtake Schwarzenegger (never happen in this election) he would lose. It would be said (wrongly) that this is because a conservative could never win in California. If McC stays in and siphons off enough votes to elect Bustamante, it will be said that this is because he was too conservative, and conservatives are too selfish and divisive to work together and win office.

Perhaps, but only if events do not perturb the ratios that are projected at this moment. Again, can you guarantee events (last minute dirt bombs dropped on Arnold by Davis, for example) will not happen? What happens if Arnold is hit at the last minute, but McC had taken your advice and dropped out a week ago? I haven't seen your description for how to handle such a scenario. I'm asking for a modicum of logic here, not more emotional heat. Take the names off the marquees and treat it as a rhetorical debate problem assigned for homework if it helps you answer.

Either way, McClintock is BAD for conservatism.

Again if the polls are correct and if the projected polls continue uneventfully to the end. But the end is still several weeks or months away. Meanwhile, McC is the only political force which guarantees Arnold will not drift very far left. So McC is in that sense GOOD for conservatism. Where is the error in my logic (it's OK to criticize my logic, but with other logic, please, not unfounded assertions and assumptions)?

And you do not know for a fact that there is a backchannel between the two which demonstrates that they are in fact doing the old good cop / bad cop tag team approach on Davis / Bustamante. How do you know that this is not in fact what is happening? Recall please, Arnold is an actor.

Let's all agree that pragmatism is a good thing.

But let's see if we can all agree that even pragmatism sometimes has limits, or at least that on certain occasion alternative, and more optimal, remedies might exist in the universe. David, Goliath for example.

If Arnold and McC kiss up in the final days before the debate, and especially if it turns out they were in cahoots all along, or if Arnold succumbs to a last minute dirt bomb and implodes after a forced premature withdrawal from McC by pressure from arguments such as yours, will you be among the first to issue an apology? Or how would either of those two events (for example) be reconciled with the views you have been expressing recently here?

Try looking at things from the opposite point of view, and perhaps using less emotion, once in a while. Maybe give everyone the benefit of a doubt. Or three. Before coming to a judgement. (Similar to the principle of innocent until proven guilty.)

Who knows? you might be pleasantly surprised at the results.

70 posted on 09/16/2003 7:28:32 AM PDT by SteveH ((Can't we all just GET ALONG!?! ;-))
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To: SteveH
Thanks for the bump.

VOTE SCHWARZENEGGER FOR VICTORY

You know, the media in lalaland is starting to get it. Arnie is unstopable and they can't help but liking him also. You outta see the morning crews delightful smiles as they describe the Oprah show. Great!

VOTE TO UNITE - VOTE SCHWARZENEGGER

71 posted on 09/16/2003 7:35:44 AM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 0311, 68-69)
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To: pogo101
The party's best bet? Yes.

But definitely not the best bet for conservatism.

72 posted on 09/16/2003 7:36:53 AM PDT by Petronski (Calm down. Eat some fruit or something.)
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To: SteveH; South40; Tamsey; EggsAckley; doodlelady
Evidently what you are calling substituting emotion for facts and logic is something else.

Evidently I just overestimated you, Steve.

See, I assume that people who read my postings are actually following the events of this recall. So I don't review The Story So Far in every posting. You know, kind of like The Two Tower's DIDN'T start off with the words, "Last week, on The Lord of the Rings," but assumed viewers had seen the previous movie FIRST.

Further, I assume that my readers (particularly the male ones) will accept the Dirty Harry dictum: "A man's got to know his limitations."

And so I assume that they will, if ignorant of the background, refrain from comment.

Sorry I overestimated you. I will try to refrain from doing so again, as I continue my EMINENTLY logic-and-fact-oriented commentary.

Dan
73 posted on 09/16/2003 7:37:31 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: 68 grunt
I don't know about some of the characters you hang out with tho. LOL ;-)
74 posted on 09/16/2003 8:02:39 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Arnold's favorite breakfast food --- Eggo's)
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To: CheneyChick
LOL,, Uncle Ree does get a bit agitated and may occasionally go a little bonkers is the polite word, apesh*t might be more apporpriate, but he means well.

Did you catch the 7am segment. John Fund WSJ -- says SCOTUS should back the 9th Circus .. and then turn right around and also invalidate last November's election too.

John says majority of district chairman support Arnold per informal polling of the group.

The best quip was about the clerks at the Supreme Court who have a special key on the keyboard for the 9th Circus cases, the F9 key... and guess what F stands for ..? :-o LOL
75 posted on 09/16/2003 8:08:07 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: BibChr
Further, I assume that my readers (particularly the male ones) will accept the Dirty Harry dictum: "A man's got to know his limitations."


Let's just hope, if elected , Arnie isn't shooting blanks. ;-)

Where do you get your news , btw, besides at FR,of course. Radio,internet, etc? Thanks

76 posted on 09/16/2003 8:10:11 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
No, I missed that. That is hilarious. John Fund is pretty good. By the way, I will never look at the function keys on my keyboard the same way again.
77 posted on 09/16/2003 8:15:50 AM PDT by CheneyChick (Impeach the 9th Circuit - www.JoinArnold.com)
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To: BibChr
Further, I assume that my readers (particularly the male ones) will accept the Dirty Harry dictum: "A man's got to know his limitations."

LOL - that is one of my favorite lines to use. Of course, I change it a bit: "A chick's got to know her limitations."

78 posted on 09/16/2003 8:20:42 AM PDT by CheneyChick (Impeach the 9th Circuit - www.JoinArnold.com)
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To: BibChr
You know, as I do, that THE commonly-held view is that Simon lost because he was too conservative. Myself, I don't believe that at all. I think he lost because he (A) took (B) TERRIBLE advice. He ran a BAD campaign, the media was all over him, and he was unprepared to respond.


You work for Parsky and the country clubbers, right?

I agree , having Ed Rollins on board was a bad,bad move.

But..

You seem to want to lay any fault whatsoever on Gerry and his buddies.

Coincidence? I wonder.

Oh, I know, you say there was no money for the CA GOP to give to candidates becuz Shawn Steel ran them deep in debt or such.

I seem to recall you or one of your buds has heaped hot coals on Shawn Steel. Is their a conflict of interest possibly? hmmm?

Just trying to clear that little item up. Enlighten me and the rest of us. Thanks

79 posted on 09/16/2003 8:20:42 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
I know it makes you mad for me to say this, I don't like doing that, but you blatantly lie and don't deal with it like an honest man. That makes you not a prime choice for my time.

Dan
80 posted on 09/16/2003 8:20:49 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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