[spodefly]

Yes, if Hillary Clinton takes the White House in 2008, this will be the end of the United States as we know it (or as anyone knows it, for that matter.) And the Patriot Act won't make any difference in that equation at all.

[William McKinley]

Unlike most people, Coulter knows what is in the Patriot Act, and doesn't just react to the propaganda spread against it.

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[Lloyd227]

"And if and when Hillary Rodham Clinton takes the White House in 2008"

THAT my friend, will never happen

[litany_of_lies]

I would like to know SPECIFICALLY what the govt. can do now that it couldn't do two years ago that has your boxers in a bunch?

I'm supposed to be concerned that the Feds can learn what books I've been reading at the library?

I'm supposed to worry that the govt. has increased powers to go after NON-citizens?

Again, what SPECIFICALLY?

The biggest exposure in the law may be in the definition of the word "terrorist," which could be turned onto the pro-life movement or fundamentalist Christians by a Hillary Administration. But the Patriot Act as I understand it doesn't change what can be done to citizens, so we're no worse off than we were 3 years ago, when the Administration was clearly targeting Christians and conservatives with IRS harassment and DOJ investigations.

[risk]

Good point.

[Common Tator]

Americans have always surrendered rights in times of great danger. They quickly take them back when the danger is over.

Abraham Lincoln even suspended the right of Habeas Corpus during the civil war. That meant the government could have any person arrested for any reason sufficient to the government. Once a person was taken into custody, the Government did not even have to admit it had done so. The Federal Government could make any citizen disappear and not tell anyone it had done so.

Like many people, you think the nations freedoms were maximized at the founding and have gradually ben limited in scope ever since. Nothing could be further from the truth. The breadth and scope of individual liberty has been a function of the dangers we face as a nation.

There were lots of limitations in world war II. You had to have government permission to buy gasoline or even butter. Travel of all kinds was limited, and people even suspected of being supporters of the Germans or Japanese can and were put in concentration camps for the duration of the war. All war reporters were drafted into the military under martial law during WWII. Any reporter who failed to get all stories approved by the military before pubishing, could be shot by a firing squad. How is that for your freedom of the press.

There is no danger to freedom as long as we can elect anyone we choose. You should try reading a history book or two to learn how this nation really works.

Here is a truism that even a libertarian with only a partially drug fried brain should be able to comprehend. In all nations the army and the police are made up of ordinary citizens. When ever the police refuse to arrest the people the government says arrest, and when ever the privates refuse to shoot the people the leaders say to shoot, the government falls.

Many thought the Soviet Union could not collapse. But when its citizens wanted a new form of government they destroyed the Soviet Union.

People like you have a huge inferiority complex. To you people like Bill and Hillary seem to have the power to rule you and all around you. You are the gutless fearful majority and can easily be controlled and ruled. But there are always a few with the guts to take a dictatorial government down.

As long as you believe yourself to be helpless and inferior... you will live in abject terror of those you think would subjugate you.

[Pynchon65]

Get away from Ann, you! She's mine! :)

Does anyone know of a link to a decent examination of the Patriot Act? I've read so much ABOUT it, but very little that breaks it down so a non-lawyer like me can have a clear look at what's in it.

Any assistance would be appreciated. It sounds like something that I wouldn't like, but so far I have found little to actually complain about.

[pierrem15]

I don't want to see her wielding that kind of power...

If the Hildebeast becomes POTUS, she doesn't need the Patriot Act: just look at Waco, Ruby Ridge, Elian, etc., plus what the EPA police, ATF, etc. do on a daily basis already.

IMHO, it will be the end of the republic if that woman is ever elected.

[nutmeg]

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[hosepipe]

Yeah Hillary as Prez in 2008.....
AND BILL AS VICE VISE PREZ...

the wresting enthusiats(demos) would love it.. and other morons(voters) would salivate over it... and the republicans would posture over a 3 term prez(BILL) and get sidelined over leagalities..

[Diva Betsy Ross]

Hillary will never make it to the white house, alive. Too many people hate her. I am not advocating anything be done against her.
I am just making an observation.