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Arnold Schwarzenegger is a Social Conservative
Intellectual Conservative ^ | September 12, 2003 | Bruce Walker

Posted on 09/12/2003 12:19:04 PM PDT by EllaMinnow

Social conservatism means a serious fidelity to those beliefs and traditions which keep us civilized and decent.

Arnold Schwarzenegger is a social conservative, despite much rhetoric to the contrary. Social conservatism means a serious fidelity to those beliefs and traditions which keep us civilized and decent without resort to laws, regulations and bureaucrats.

Social conservatism is a respect for tradition and for values which have withstood the test of time. Chinese family members who respect and support one another, even at the cost of personal wishes, are social conservatives whatever their metaphysical beliefs.

This definition of social conservatism as a matter of example rather than profession does not mean we agree on every detail of moral behavior. It means instead that we root ourselves in something permanent, dignified and civic. Even eccentricity can be socially conservative. British and American peoples are famous for producing men who, for want of a better term, are cranks. That is very much a part of the culture of these two nations.

At the heart of social conservatism is fidelity. Often men who are social conservatives are ideologically left of center. Jimmy Carter is a good example. By all appearances, Carter took his marital vows seriously and his religious faith seriously. He stopped serving hard liquor at White House dinners.

That did not prevent Carter from being a petty, spiteful and almost insufferable boor. And it certainly did not prevent Carter from being wrong on almost every issue. But it does mean that Jimmy Carter was a social conservative.

Joe Lieberman is also a social conservative, even if he supports terrible policies. Every indication is that Lieberman is a religiously serious Orthodox Jew. It is impossible to imagine Joe munching a bacon cheeseburger on Kol Nidre. Bill Bradley is another social conservative who loves his wife, gained his wealth and fame through guts and hard work, and sincerely believes in all the bad ideas he proposes.

The beauty of America, of course, is that social conservatism does not require being correct as much as being sincere. It does not require conformity to a particular catechism so much as it means conformity to some catechism. The bewildering variety of religions, sects, and societies in American life is a testament to Americans respecting in social life the same freedom to be wrong that we respect in our economic life. Indeed, social conservatism is another form of market choice which helps, through competition, to elevate cultures and traditions within America.

Arnold Schwarzenegger is made of the "right stuff.” There is no odor of phoniness about him. He loves his wife and family. He worked his way to the top with sweat and diligence. He resembles a number of other social conservative Republicans around President Bush who are not generally recognized as social conservatives.

Who? How about Colin Powell? He turned down the Presidency itself in 1996 out of respect for his wife and family. Does anyone question that what Powell believes, he believes sincerely? How about Tom Ridge, who was too liberal to be the running mate in 2000, but who putters around his home for recreation and grew up in the Marine Corps.

Tony Blair and Rudy Giuliani are social conservatives who we seldom see as social conservatives. Both these heroic figures do what they do publicly and because they believe it is right. Thank goodness both are on our side now--social conservatives dig their heels in very deeply!--but even when Giuliani supports abortion or Powell supports affirmative action, they can do so looking you straight in the eye with a polygraph examiner unable to detect a hint of spin in their answers.

This type of social conservative--guys doing what they think is right because they think it is right--is precisely the sort of man that President Bush has shown incredible skill in using to make America better. Our Texan President, our proudly Cowboy President, does not demand that anyone agree with him on every issue. In fact, such silly boys can be skimmed off the corporate boards of a hundred big companies.

He wants people who are true to themselves. He wants, and we should want, real social conservatives. Rabbis who read Torah as if it were holy writ. Priests who take their vows seriously. Men who honor their parents and are faithful to their wives. Men like Arnold Schwarzenegger or Ronald Reagan or John Wayne, who will fight for what they think is right.

When Governor Schwarzenegger takes office, President Bush will find honor more valuable than agreement and grit more important than obedience. It will be a winning team, perhaps a team that can transform America.


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To: redlipstick
Arnold Schwarzenegger is a Social Conservative

Hands down, the stupidist statement I have ever seen here on FR.

462 posted on 09/12/2003 5:02:05 PM PDT by fightu4it (conquest by immigration and subversion spells the end of US.)
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To: shellylet
You have a good evening too. It's been a blast! :-)
463 posted on 09/12/2003 5:03:57 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: shellylet
To remind you all of why we must win this election I bid you:

Adios Amigos!

464 posted on 09/12/2003 5:04:34 PM PDT by TightyRighty
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To: TightyRighty
And within a couple of years Texas will be just as bad as California!

I disagree. We here in Texas are on the other side of that particular power curve; we have a Republican-controlled House for the first time since Reconstruction and have a Republican governor as well. Nowhere to go but up.

465 posted on 09/12/2003 5:04:44 PM PDT by strela (It is not true that Larry Flynt's biggest financial donor is Dicker and Dicker of Beverly Hills.)
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To: cyncooper
How about post number one?

This type of social conservative--guys doing what they think is right because they think it is right--is precisely the sort of man that President Bush has shown incredible skill in using to make America better. Our Texan President, our proudly Cowboy President, does not demand that anyone agree with him on every issue. In fact, such silly boys can be skimmed off the corporate boards of a hundred big companies.

1 posted on 09/12/2003 3:19 PM EDT by redlipstick

466 posted on 09/12/2003 5:05:21 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
You have a beautiful home!
467 posted on 09/12/2003 5:06:08 PM PDT by TightyRighty
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To: strela
And if I remember correctly you guys shoot your illegals as they come over the border!
468 posted on 09/12/2003 5:07:31 PM PDT by TightyRighty
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To: EternalVigilance; redlipstick
Redlipstick found the article (while doing a search on Bush Schwarzenegger donation) and then selected a paragraph toward the end that she felt illustrated the point the author was trying to make.

She doesn't say she agrees, though she might, but I didn't see her say that--she threw it out for discussion.

469 posted on 09/12/2003 5:09:19 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: cyncooper
Can you cite one post rationalizing the article?

I got as far as #1, which referred to him as "this kind" of social conservative, you can start there.

But I tend to skim when I read

Pretending to miss them says it all about you, and it isn't nice.

470 posted on 09/12/2003 5:10:01 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA ((R)nold called me a "Right wing crazy" because I have a problem with his position on Prop 54)
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To: TightyRighty
And if I remember correctly you guys shoot your illegals as they come over the border!

I don't know about that. Most of them seem to head toward San Diego to cross - there's not a lot of infrastructure in South Texas border areas.

471 posted on 09/12/2003 5:11:04 PM PDT by strela (It is not true that Larry Flynt's biggest financial donor is Dicker and Dicker of Beverly Hills.)
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To: TightyRighty
Thank you!
472 posted on 09/12/2003 5:12:35 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Weimdog
I have to take him on his word.

That is a mistake. A very big one.

If a Republican, I don't care who it is, doesn't replace Davis, I'll be really disappointed, and I'll know who to blame...Republicans!

I posted a link to Ted Costa's site the day it went up, and have fought for it since day one. Now I can't say I recognize your name in this, but that doesn't mean you haven't been there. I can restate your sentiment like this;

If a Republican, I don't care who it is, but they have to be a rock ribbed supply sider to clean up Davis' mess and replace Davis otherwise this debt will destroy the GOP, I'll be really disappointed, and I'll know who to blame...Republicans!

473 posted on 09/12/2003 5:13:55 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA ((R)nold called me a "Right wing crazy" because I have a problem with his position on Prop 54)
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To: cyncooper
Okay. Let's say you're right.

Not a single FReeper agrees with the premise of the article.

You win!!

Arnold was correct when he himself said, "I am an extreme liberal on social issues".

Now we all agree with Arnold!

No need for any more fussin'...

;-)
474 posted on 09/12/2003 5:15:38 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
I got as far as #1, which referred to him as "this kind" of social conservative, you can start there.

Number 1 is an excerpt from the article by the person who posted it, sans commentary approving or agreeing, so doesn't count.

Pretending to miss them

Well, I had to leave for a couple hours and I've read through post #200 so far, and I am not pretending a thing. I haven't seen ONE post saying what you claim. My character remains honorable, which is more than can be said for others.

475 posted on 09/12/2003 5:16:00 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: EternalVigilance
Right, BUT he's fiscally conservative, and I think more conservative in general than is given credit.

Plus the harping about "really a Republican" gets tiring, since the man has been one since becoming a citizen, campaigned for Republicans, worked with Republicans, and resisted the Kennedy cajoling to switch (he said they've worked on him over the years--I saw him say it on I believe Chris Matthews' show last week.)

Thanks for the spirit with which your reply was offered. :)
476 posted on 09/12/2003 5:19:49 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: cyncooper
It was obvious from the beginning that the original poster agreed with the article, and was seriously trying to push it.

But FReepers are far too smart for that. No person in their right mind would have jumped in after the first couple of posts to try and defend this silly premise.

But still yet, this thread is emblematic of much that has occured here in the last month.

Give FReepers enough time, and enough debate, and eventually the fair-minded men and women of goodwill here will reach the right conclusions. And if they don't ultimately agree on everything, at least they will reach a point of disagreement that is civil.
477 posted on 09/12/2003 5:21:38 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: cyncooper
Thanks for the spirit with which your reply was offered. :)

Likewise.

478 posted on 09/12/2003 5:22:37 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
Well said! Thanks.
479 posted on 09/12/2003 5:27:05 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 0311, 68-69)
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To: redlipstick
I must say that after listening to him on a talk show this morning from Sacramento, I am more impressed than I was before. McClintock was scheduled right after him and the hosts decided ahead of time with Tom to ambush Arnold with a question about debating. Arnold handled himself very well after being blindsided by Tom. He is able to maintain his dignity and control under fire. The media left out his response that they were debating in just a few days reporting only that he declined. He was a perfect gentleman.
480 posted on 09/12/2003 5:27:22 PM PDT by ladyinred (The left have blood on their hands.)
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