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Arnold Schwarzenegger is a Social Conservative
Intellectual Conservative ^ | September 12, 2003 | Bruce Walker

Posted on 09/12/2003 12:19:04 PM PDT by EllaMinnow

Social conservatism means a serious fidelity to those beliefs and traditions which keep us civilized and decent.

Arnold Schwarzenegger is a social conservative, despite much rhetoric to the contrary. Social conservatism means a serious fidelity to those beliefs and traditions which keep us civilized and decent without resort to laws, regulations and bureaucrats.

Social conservatism is a respect for tradition and for values which have withstood the test of time. Chinese family members who respect and support one another, even at the cost of personal wishes, are social conservatives whatever their metaphysical beliefs.

This definition of social conservatism as a matter of example rather than profession does not mean we agree on every detail of moral behavior. It means instead that we root ourselves in something permanent, dignified and civic. Even eccentricity can be socially conservative. British and American peoples are famous for producing men who, for want of a better term, are cranks. That is very much a part of the culture of these two nations.

At the heart of social conservatism is fidelity. Often men who are social conservatives are ideologically left of center. Jimmy Carter is a good example. By all appearances, Carter took his marital vows seriously and his religious faith seriously. He stopped serving hard liquor at White House dinners.

That did not prevent Carter from being a petty, spiteful and almost insufferable boor. And it certainly did not prevent Carter from being wrong on almost every issue. But it does mean that Jimmy Carter was a social conservative.

Joe Lieberman is also a social conservative, even if he supports terrible policies. Every indication is that Lieberman is a religiously serious Orthodox Jew. It is impossible to imagine Joe munching a bacon cheeseburger on Kol Nidre. Bill Bradley is another social conservative who loves his wife, gained his wealth and fame through guts and hard work, and sincerely believes in all the bad ideas he proposes.

The beauty of America, of course, is that social conservatism does not require being correct as much as being sincere. It does not require conformity to a particular catechism so much as it means conformity to some catechism. The bewildering variety of religions, sects, and societies in American life is a testament to Americans respecting in social life the same freedom to be wrong that we respect in our economic life. Indeed, social conservatism is another form of market choice which helps, through competition, to elevate cultures and traditions within America.

Arnold Schwarzenegger is made of the "right stuff.” There is no odor of phoniness about him. He loves his wife and family. He worked his way to the top with sweat and diligence. He resembles a number of other social conservative Republicans around President Bush who are not generally recognized as social conservatives.

Who? How about Colin Powell? He turned down the Presidency itself in 1996 out of respect for his wife and family. Does anyone question that what Powell believes, he believes sincerely? How about Tom Ridge, who was too liberal to be the running mate in 2000, but who putters around his home for recreation and grew up in the Marine Corps.

Tony Blair and Rudy Giuliani are social conservatives who we seldom see as social conservatives. Both these heroic figures do what they do publicly and because they believe it is right. Thank goodness both are on our side now--social conservatives dig their heels in very deeply!--but even when Giuliani supports abortion or Powell supports affirmative action, they can do so looking you straight in the eye with a polygraph examiner unable to detect a hint of spin in their answers.

This type of social conservative--guys doing what they think is right because they think it is right--is precisely the sort of man that President Bush has shown incredible skill in using to make America better. Our Texan President, our proudly Cowboy President, does not demand that anyone agree with him on every issue. In fact, such silly boys can be skimmed off the corporate boards of a hundred big companies.

He wants people who are true to themselves. He wants, and we should want, real social conservatives. Rabbis who read Torah as if it were holy writ. Priests who take their vows seriously. Men who honor their parents and are faithful to their wives. Men like Arnold Schwarzenegger or Ronald Reagan or John Wayne, who will fight for what they think is right.

When Governor Schwarzenegger takes office, President Bush will find honor more valuable than agreement and grit more important than obedience. It will be a winning team, perhaps a team that can transform America.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
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To: CyberCowboy777
Whoa there! I didn't say that, I was explaining what the other guy was trying to say! Lightin' up! :)
361 posted on 09/12/2003 3:43:48 PM PDT by shellylet
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To: Itzlzha
straight line, let's see what happens.

If you (and many others on FreeRepublic) were correct in their assumptions about what sex I really am, then one of the figures in that picture would need to be changed. And, by so being, the picture would no longer be suitable for posting in a family FreeRepublic ;)

362 posted on 09/12/2003 3:45:08 PM PDT by strela (It is not true that Larry Flynt's biggest financial donor is Dicker and Dicker of Beverly Hills.)
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To: strela
Good fight! Shall we go another 15 rounds, or be amicable in our disagreement? I'm up for either!

BTW, do I understand you live in Fla.?

If so, be safe...that Hurricane's going to be a beeyotch if it hits you.

363 posted on 09/12/2003 3:45:52 PM PDT by Itzlzha (The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote!)
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To: CyberCowboy777
The Dixie Chicks haven't. . . yet.

But just watch the Today show. Matt Lauer and Katie Couric have repeatedly and unchrateristically been singing the praises of Tom. So has Alan Colmes, on Hannity & Clomes. He even had Geraldine Ferrarro on the other night and they were BOTH saying that conservatives should vote for Tom.

Do you know why? Because Tom can't garner a majority of the moderate votes like Arnold can and they know it. Considering that Democrats vastly outnumber Republicans in California by nearly 1.4 million people you need a candidate with broad appeal that can attract the middle.

Of course it seems that many McClintock supporters are unwilling to come to terms with that fact.
364 posted on 09/12/2003 3:46:01 PM PDT by Tempest (I've lost all hope for half of you.)
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To: strela
Good fight! Shall we go another 15 rounds, or be amicable in our disagreement? I'm up for either!

BTW, do I understand you live in Fla.?

If so, be safe...that Hurricane's going to be a beeyotch if it hits you.

365 posted on 09/12/2003 3:46:19 PM PDT by Itzlzha (The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote!)
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To: strela
I asked you if Arnold or the author was lying in #181:

“This is a joke and you are defending it! Arnold himself said he was a social liberal. Was he lying? Or is the author lying - a supporter of Arnold? “

Then in #199 you said I that I said Arnold was lying:

“It is a logical fallacy to make a blanket claim that Arnold was lying because of another person's opinion.”

NOT THAT I LIED – but that I said Arnold LIED – WHICH I DID NOT. That is a lie – I never made “a blanket claim that Arnold was lying”.

Now please retract and apologize or prove where I “make a blanket claim that Arnold was lying” as you stated in #199.

366 posted on 09/12/2003 3:47:11 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (SELECT * FROM liberals WHERE clue > 0 .............................................. 0 rows returned)
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To: strela
Perhaps you aren't as big an authority on these matters as you suppose?
-tpaine-

You "suppose" too much.
-strela-


I do? -- You are a big authority? Wow!
Moderator?
367 posted on 09/12/2003 3:49:29 PM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator!)
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To: shellylet
I aplogize - I am just getting sick of being lied about and words being added or changed from my original posts.


This whole thing is stupid and Arnold is going to lose becuase Arnold supporters are burning the bridges to Tom supporters who are willing to change their votes on election day.
368 posted on 09/12/2003 3:49:54 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (SELECT * FROM liberals WHERE clue > 0 .............................................. 0 rows returned)
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To: shellylet; CyberCowboy777
(shelly)Whoa there! I didn't say that, I was explaining what the other guy was trying to say!

Some posters to this thread have been pitching a temper tantrum for quite some time now. If they were an infant, I'd know what to do - make up a warm bottle of milk and lay them down for a nap. FR being a text-based medium though, laughing at them seems to be the best policy.

369 posted on 09/12/2003 3:50:08 PM PDT by strela (It is not true that Larry Flynt's biggest financial donor is Dicker and Dicker of Beverly Hills.)
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To: CyberCowboy777
NOT THAT I LIED – but that I said Arnold LIED – WHICH I DID NOT. That is a lie – I never made “a blanket claim that Arnold was lying”.

What the???

370 posted on 09/12/2003 3:50:24 PM PDT by TightyRighty
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To: Itzlzha
BTW, do I understand you live in Fla.?

Nope, I'm far away in Texas. But thanks for the kind words anyway. (We could sure use some of that rain).

371 posted on 09/12/2003 3:51:19 PM PDT by strela (It is not true that Larry Flynt's biggest financial donor is Dicker and Dicker of Beverly Hills.)
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To: TightyRighty; CyberCowboy777
What the???

A meltdown is never a pretty sight to behold, is it ;)

372 posted on 09/12/2003 3:52:49 PM PDT by strela (It is not true that Larry Flynt's biggest financial donor is Dicker and Dicker of Beverly Hills.)
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To: x
A reasonable argument! Thank you.

I think the point that the writer is trying to make is that sometimes those who do not share beliefs with social conservatives, i.e. Giuliani, Condi Rice, and Colin Powell, or who have skeletons in their personal lives, can still have traits of character that serve traditional social conservatives well.

David Bonior is pro-life, as was Dennis Kucinich until 5 minutes ago. I am so glad that we have Powell as Secretary of State now instead of either one of them.
Just as I am relieved that Giuliani was mayor of New York two years ago instead of a weaker individual who might have been more "conservative."

I certainly don't agree with the writer on every point, but I did think that the article was thought-provoking and worth discussion.
373 posted on 09/12/2003 3:53:25 PM PDT by EllaMinnow (#213 of the 537.)
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To: strela
But thanks for the kind words anyway.

What's that?!?

My 'civility detector' went off--scared the heck out of me...

374 posted on 09/12/2003 3:53:30 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: TightyRighty
What do you want?

I know it is stupid.

I asked if the author or Arnold was lying - Becuase the author says Arnold is a Socila conservative and Arnold has said he was a Social Liberal.

Strela then said that I was "making a blanket claim that Arnold was lying” in #199.

Well I NEVER said Arnold was lying - I asked which one was - BOTH cannot be right.
375 posted on 09/12/2003 3:54:18 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (SELECT * FROM liberals WHERE clue > 0 .............................................. 0 rows returned)
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To: strela
I love a good zinga!
376 posted on 09/12/2003 3:54:40 PM PDT by TightyRighty
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To: CyberCowboy777
Now please retract and apologize or prove where I “make a blanket claim that Arnold was lying” as you stated in #199.

No. Now go away.

377 posted on 09/12/2003 3:55:02 PM PDT by strela (It is not true that Larry Flynt's biggest financial donor is Dicker and Dicker of Beverly Hills.)
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To: strela
Melt down?

You lied about me.

Show me where I was "making a blanket claim that Arnold was lying".
378 posted on 09/12/2003 3:55:38 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (SELECT * FROM liberals WHERE clue > 0 .............................................. 0 rows returned)
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To: EternalVigilance
My 'civility detector' went off--scared the heck out of me...

Hey buster, I've already had to have fourteen Irony Meters repaired and recalibrated since I've been on FreeRepublic. You can afford to have one Civility Detector repaired, so buck up ;)

379 posted on 09/12/2003 3:56:39 PM PDT by strela (It is not true that Larry Flynt's biggest financial donor is Dicker and Dicker of Beverly Hills.)
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To: strela
Retract your lie about me or show me where I was "making a blanket claim that Arnold was lying"
380 posted on 09/12/2003 3:56:48 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (SELECT * FROM liberals WHERE clue > 0 .............................................. 0 rows returned)
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