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Arnold Schwarzenegger is a Social Conservative
Intellectual Conservative ^ | September 12, 2003 | Bruce Walker

Posted on 09/12/2003 12:19:04 PM PDT by EllaMinnow

Social conservatism means a serious fidelity to those beliefs and traditions which keep us civilized and decent.

Arnold Schwarzenegger is a social conservative, despite much rhetoric to the contrary. Social conservatism means a serious fidelity to those beliefs and traditions which keep us civilized and decent without resort to laws, regulations and bureaucrats.

Social conservatism is a respect for tradition and for values which have withstood the test of time. Chinese family members who respect and support one another, even at the cost of personal wishes, are social conservatives whatever their metaphysical beliefs.

This definition of social conservatism as a matter of example rather than profession does not mean we agree on every detail of moral behavior. It means instead that we root ourselves in something permanent, dignified and civic. Even eccentricity can be socially conservative. British and American peoples are famous for producing men who, for want of a better term, are cranks. That is very much a part of the culture of these two nations.

At the heart of social conservatism is fidelity. Often men who are social conservatives are ideologically left of center. Jimmy Carter is a good example. By all appearances, Carter took his marital vows seriously and his religious faith seriously. He stopped serving hard liquor at White House dinners.

That did not prevent Carter from being a petty, spiteful and almost insufferable boor. And it certainly did not prevent Carter from being wrong on almost every issue. But it does mean that Jimmy Carter was a social conservative.

Joe Lieberman is also a social conservative, even if he supports terrible policies. Every indication is that Lieberman is a religiously serious Orthodox Jew. It is impossible to imagine Joe munching a bacon cheeseburger on Kol Nidre. Bill Bradley is another social conservative who loves his wife, gained his wealth and fame through guts and hard work, and sincerely believes in all the bad ideas he proposes.

The beauty of America, of course, is that social conservatism does not require being correct as much as being sincere. It does not require conformity to a particular catechism so much as it means conformity to some catechism. The bewildering variety of religions, sects, and societies in American life is a testament to Americans respecting in social life the same freedom to be wrong that we respect in our economic life. Indeed, social conservatism is another form of market choice which helps, through competition, to elevate cultures and traditions within America.

Arnold Schwarzenegger is made of the "right stuff.” There is no odor of phoniness about him. He loves his wife and family. He worked his way to the top with sweat and diligence. He resembles a number of other social conservative Republicans around President Bush who are not generally recognized as social conservatives.

Who? How about Colin Powell? He turned down the Presidency itself in 1996 out of respect for his wife and family. Does anyone question that what Powell believes, he believes sincerely? How about Tom Ridge, who was too liberal to be the running mate in 2000, but who putters around his home for recreation and grew up in the Marine Corps.

Tony Blair and Rudy Giuliani are social conservatives who we seldom see as social conservatives. Both these heroic figures do what they do publicly and because they believe it is right. Thank goodness both are on our side now--social conservatives dig their heels in very deeply!--but even when Giuliani supports abortion or Powell supports affirmative action, they can do so looking you straight in the eye with a polygraph examiner unable to detect a hint of spin in their answers.

This type of social conservative--guys doing what they think is right because they think it is right--is precisely the sort of man that President Bush has shown incredible skill in using to make America better. Our Texan President, our proudly Cowboy President, does not demand that anyone agree with him on every issue. In fact, such silly boys can be skimmed off the corporate boards of a hundred big companies.

He wants people who are true to themselves. He wants, and we should want, real social conservatives. Rabbis who read Torah as if it were holy writ. Priests who take their vows seriously. Men who honor their parents and are faithful to their wives. Men like Arnold Schwarzenegger or Ronald Reagan or John Wayne, who will fight for what they think is right.

When Governor Schwarzenegger takes office, President Bush will find honor more valuable than agreement and grit more important than obedience. It will be a winning team, perhaps a team that can transform America.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
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To: pogo101
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221 posted on 09/12/2003 2:07:22 PM PDT by DiamondDon1 (Official Tombot, Member VRWC)
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To: SteveH

Please vote for Tom McClintock. He's the choice of true conservatives everywhere. . . Like me.

222 posted on 09/12/2003 2:08:14 PM PDT by Tempest (I've lost all hope for half of you.)
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To: ninenot
Cardinal Roger Mahony will be the next Pope.

Don't scare me like that.

223 posted on 09/12/2003 2:08:41 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
My God

Thanks for the compliment. But, I'm no deity nor have I ever claimed to wield deific powers.

you really are having TRM-Total RINO Meltdown.

Why won't you answer my question - How do you intend to stop "Arnold groupies" from posting here?

This isn't funny, this is just sad. I have no intention, nor desire to stop you Groupies from posting

Then why did you say you did?

224 posted on 09/12/2003 2:08:59 PM PDT by strela (It is not true that Larry Flynt's biggest financial donor is Dicker and Dicker of Beverly Hills.)
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To: strela
I don't think anyone is demanding perfection from our conservative candidates. But is impossible for me, and apparently many others, to try to swallow as a conservative a candidate that is for abortion, against gun rights, for higher taxes, and against debating issues publicly. I don't demand perfection, let's just say that McClintock is closer to perfection (from a conservative policy standpoint) than your guy. You and Arnold may be willing to rationalize away those points as being the only way to ensure a Republican victory. To me, those points are more than just bargaining chips. They are core beliefs that I do not choose to waver from. I'm sorry you believe to the contrary.
225 posted on 09/12/2003 2:09:33 PM PDT by DryFly
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To: Warren_Piece
Who wrote this? It sounds like Baghdad Bob.
226 posted on 09/12/2003 2:09:33 PM PDT by Hollywoodghost (Let he who would be free strike the first blow)
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To: calcowgirl
Ah, the LA Times poll again. Sure a lot of alleged "conservatives" now taking what they read in the LA Times as gospel.
227 posted on 09/12/2003 2:09:47 PM PDT by strela (It is not true that Larry Flynt's biggest financial donor is Dicker and Dicker of Beverly Hills.)
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To: Tempest

Arnie is a Social Conservative

228 posted on 09/12/2003 2:11:30 PM PDT by ninenot (Democrats make mistakes. RINOs don't correct them.--Chesterton (adapted by Ninenot))
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To: Itzlzha
Non-denial of receiving money from Cruz Bustamante noted.
229 posted on 09/12/2003 2:11:34 PM PDT by strela (It is not true that Larry Flynt's biggest financial donor is Dicker and Dicker of Beverly Hills.)
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To: Weimdog
They both "face/faced" hmmm, I see. So since he is going to win, in your opinion, how will he deal with it? Can I expect him to keep his promise to not raise taxes unless its a terrorist attack/earthquake?
230 posted on 09/12/2003 2:12:50 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA ((R)nold called me a "Right wing crazy" because I have a problem with his position on Prop 54)
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To: Tempest
That is not really funny - if the 'Chicks' supported anyone it would be Arnold.
231 posted on 09/12/2003 2:15:19 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (SELECT * FROM liberals WHERE clue > 0 .............................................. 0 rows returned)
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To: strela
1. He was divorced. Do social conservatives support divorce?

When SchwarzenKennedy makes a policy statemnt on divorce, i'll comment on that position...but compared to flagrant and frequent philandering (makes him a TRUE Kennedy, btw...) a legal divorce seems to be a personal choice...and all you Arn-holes ARE for choice...right?

2. He's not running in this election.

No, but the closest to him IS...McClintock.

Who is "SchwarzenKennedy?" I know of no one with that name running in the California recall election.

Try harder...here maybe this quote will help..."And on Sunday, the LA Times reported that Robert F. Kennedy Jr., cousin of his wife and an environmental extremist, is Mr. Schwarzenegger's new point man on the politics of logging and global warming."

Care to debate ISSUES now?

232 posted on 09/12/2003 2:15:20 PM PDT by Itzlzha (The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote!)
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To: strela
I don't suppose you've noticed at all that the vast majority of your pro-Arnie fellow travelers have deigned to post on this thread?

They at least are smart enough to not try and defend this claptrap.

But I suppose you just can't help yourself...
233 posted on 09/12/2003 2:15:20 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: strela
Then why did you say you did?

The strawman beating continues, (that poor strawman, he's the real victim here) I meant for the good of the party this Orwellian BS must be discredited. Not that we have to, you and your ilks' own tantrum throwing words do that just fine and dandy.


234 posted on 09/12/2003 2:16:03 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA ((R)nold called me a "Right wing crazy" because I have a problem with his position on Prop 54)
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To: DryFly
I don't think anyone is demanding perfection from our conservative candidates.

I suspect that if Tom McClintock were any threat to Cruz Bustamante's candidacy in this race, we'd all be hearing some very interesting things about him from the pen of the Rat sleazemill.

To me, those points are more than just bargaining chips. They are core beliefs that I do not choose to waver from.

Then you are going to hold out for the full loaf instead of half a loaf. I suspect you are going to get mighty hungry before that happens though. Careful you don't starve before your mythical "perfect" social conservative comes along who is able to win.

235 posted on 09/12/2003 2:16:12 PM PDT by strela (It is not true that Larry Flynt's biggest financial donor is Dicker and Dicker of Beverly Hills.)
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To: redlipstick
Arnold does what his advisors tell him, not what he thinks is right.

His sudden opposition to partial birth abortion is a clear example of this fact.

236 posted on 09/12/2003 2:16:55 PM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: Tempest

WAR IS PEACE!
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY!
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH!
ARNOLD IS A SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE!

237 posted on 09/12/2003 2:19:55 PM PDT by SteveH (I presume it's too late to DRAFT TED NUGENT?)
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To: CyberCowboy777
"That is not really funny - if the 'Chicks' supported anyone it would be Arnold."

Ohhhh on the contrary. Presenting exhibit A.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/979596/posts

238 posted on 09/12/2003 2:20:33 PM PDT by Tempest (I've lost all hope for half of you.)
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To: EternalVigilance
This is the biggest crock of s**t I've seen on FR is quite some time.

This Bruce Walker appears to dwell on the outer limits of the twilight zone.

239 posted on 09/12/2003 2:20:38 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Itzlzha
When SchwarzenKennedy makes a policy statemnt ...

I don't know of anybody by that name running in the California recall election.

(personal attacks deleted)

No, but the closest to him IS...McClintock.

McClintock hasn't got a prayer of winning. Schwarzenegger does.

Try harder.

I have. It didn't help. Use the names of real candidates running in this race.

Care to debate ISSUES now?

Coming from somebody who floats the names of mythical candidates, a request to "debate issues" is laughable.

240 posted on 09/12/2003 2:20:38 PM PDT by strela (It is not true that Larry Flynt's biggest financial donor is Dicker and Dicker of Beverly Hills.)
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