California State Assembly passes SB328 Free tuition for illegal aliens

I just e-mailed this dippy liberal broad a little conservative "love note". I described her as a "disgrace to her office" and beyond contempt.

I told her that she was living proof that " There is no narcotic so intoxicating as the power to spend someone else's money." I suggested that she check into a rehab.

CA is Offically for ILLEGAL ALIENS ONLY>>.

Then how about waiving the tuition for legal citizens, so that all have a fair shot at college? There are plenty of lower income and middle class families that can't afford to send their children to college. Why discriminate against them by waiving the tuition for illegals only??

We don't discriminate, because citizens already DO enjoy this in California. This bill doesn't give them a "free" education, it just entitles them to the same financial aid as anyone else. Any low to moderate income California resident can take courses at a community college for nothing, or darn close to it, because the disqualification points for most CC financial aid programs are around $50k a year. Even above that the classes are only about $18 a unit...a steal when compared to the state and private colleges and universities.

The community colleges were specifically designed to help educate people too poor to enroll in the four year schools, and are one of the few GOOD government programs in California. Though they are funded with taxpayer dollars, I read a study recently showing that the increased income generated by community college students (after obtaining their degrees) resulted in more tax revenue for the state. The typical CC graduate pays the states investment back in around five years via this increased tax revenue, making the CC's a good "investment".

I don't dispute your history lesson.
I don't dispute that the media has a stake in keeping two GOP candidates at fairly even odds.
And, yes, I know this is not a primary.
I know it is a choice between pragmatic and not so pragmatic.
And I know that "republican" in california is not the same as "republican" in Georgia.

I do dispute your claim that McClintock is a looser since he would be the way out forerunner had Arnold not stepped in.
That, in turn, forces me to question just which candidate is the spoiler: the actual republican or the california-lite version with public appeal outside of the party?

Your position presumes as absolute fact that california will slide from one democrat to the next and that casinos, unions, and the expanding latino base will successfully underwrite that end. Unless, of course, Conan rides to the rescue.
I don't even deny that, I also think that's a huge possibility; what are the odds that enough non-GOP voters are so sickened by what's come to pass that they'd vote for the more conservative candidate?

Even more uncertain are the results of a Schwarzenegger victory.

He seems a decent guy. I unabashedly admire his success and the fact that he came here as a sort of curiosity and adopted, adapted, and literally conquered.
But I only know that he will hire 'good help' and take their advice. That and the accepted fact that he is NOT in any way a conservative are all I have to go on.

There are many who would remind me that the above two traits can be used to describe GWB, or were so used during the campaigns. Problem is that Bush had years of close association with government processes while Arnie has a wife who's family has years of close association with government.....
Not the same.

If Bustamente wins - the rest of this administration will only continue to get worse.
If Arnie wins - we don't have the foggiest idea what will happen but a lot of folks either HOPE it'll work or only want to see an "R" on the score board.
If McClintock wins - he may or may not be able to drive a turn around, start one, or be totally stonewalled by the rest of the democrat dominated government. But we at least have some assurance that his compromises would be closer to center than not.

If Bustamente wins and does poorly, we'll have an us versus them mob scene next general election.
If he does well, it's business as usual for a long time because NO one in this state would vote out a Latino unless the reasons were iron solid.
If Arnie does poorly, california will automatically revert farther to the left.
If he does well, we'll have him for a long long time; maybe good, maybe bad.
If McClintock does badly, see above.
If he does well, maybe the electorate will get the message.

I think it used to be called Hobson's Choice....neither alternative is so very attractive. You have to go with the one that seems least worse at the time you make the choice.
Perhaps that is why so many posting on this subject in a GOP dominated forum have such vividly emotional arguments; though, for my part, I can't get real emotional about pragmatic choices unless you count depression.

That gets to the original point. I was ready to pitch in and vote for the not-a-republican-anywhere-but-here guy. All the fire and brimstone reminds me too much of the demo talking heads on TV; always shouting over the other guy's talking points instead of addressing their merit.

So now I'm back on the fence and will remain there until the polls open.

It's clear to me that McClintock cannot win. Based on Arnold's internal polls, he is even with Bustamante with McClintock at 11%, and the remainder undecided. McClintock does not have 18%. That is a liberal polling lie. Without McClintock, Arnold coasts to victory. We'll agree to disagree on this one, norton.

In any case, I appreciate your throughtful comments. You are a terrific FReeper.

The more I read about California the more I wonder why any good, hard-working American stays there at all. Yes, I know it has great scenery and weather, but is it worth the taxes, the oppressive regulations, the general goofiness of that Legislature and Governor? Yes, by all means, if you can, bail!

The more I read about California the more I wonder why any good, hard-working American stays there at all. Yes, I know it has great scenery and weather, but is it worth the taxes, the oppressive regulations, the general goofiness of that Legislature and Governor?

No. It's just plain not easy to live under this kind of rule. The mental anguish takes a toll as the crazyness is more than I, at least, can cope with. Every day some new idiotic law is being passed, worse than the last one you heard about. It won't be long until this place is a part of Mexico.

I thank you sir.

And appreciate being able to discuss a topic that draws more sound than reason.
(I also share your distrust for polls - any polls, and the media - any media.)

I'm sorry to Cali freepers, but when is enough going to be enough for you folks?

We're literally outnumbered! We voted for Prop 187 a few years back, and it passed, but a liberal judge overturned it. Prop 187 would have denied social services to illegal aliens. We don't get to vote on things like drivers' licenses for illegals or college tuition for illegals, the liberal state legislators vote on it, then the stupid Governor signs it. We protest, no one listens. More and more hispanics are getting into government here, and they vote for anything to benefit Mexicans.

Two words of advice:

U. Haul.

Can't.

To: glory
We're literally outnumbered! We voted for Prop 187 a few years back, and it passed, but a liberal judge overturned it. Prop 187 would have denied social services to illegal aliens. We don't get to vote on things like drivers' licenses for illegals or college tuition for illegals, the liberal state legislators vote on it, then the stupid Governor signs it. We protest, no one listens. More and more hispanics are getting into government here, and they vote for anything to benefit Mexicans.
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Don't worry, soon Arnold will be your Governor.

Liberal legislation like this will never be signed by Republican Arnold. < /sarcasm>

It has gotten to be pretty expensive U-Hauling out of this state. Way cheaper to come this direction, but then, they can't get many to do it. I can't imagine why any knowledgeable person would move here.