Red Roots Of Gay Movement

Accuracy In Media ^ | September 10, 2003 | Cliff Kincaid

[tdadams]

Please stop posting to me. To be perfectly honest, I think you're an utterly misguided idiot who has an incomprehensible obsession with gays and conspiracy theories. I only have to see your name on a post and I roll my eyes. I don't care one wit about a thing you post, so don't waste your time.

[Chunga]

"...third grade education..."

Dude: I think you're talking to a JD.

[Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS]

One of the keys to understanding both the rise of Nazism and the later persecution of some homosexuals by the Nazis is found in this early history of the German "gay rights" movement. For it was the CS which created and shaped what would become the Nazi persona, and it was the loathing which these "Butches" held for effeminate homosexuals ("Femmes") which led to the internment of some of the latter in slave labor camps in the Third Reich.

More significantly, many of the guards and administrators responsible for the infamous concentration camp atrocities were homosexuals themselves, which negates the proposition that homosexuals in general were being persecuted and interned. Homosexuality and the Nazi Party

[irgbar-man]

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[tdadams]

I will say that the fact that just about all those goals have been implemented in the last 40 years is evidence enough for me that Skousen source was impeccable.

And there is exactly the fallacy I was trying to get at.

Skousen made a list of social agendas that would undermine America. Without basis or substantiation, he attributed those social agendas to the communists. Then, as these things came to pass, Skousen's supporters proclaim, "Ah ha, see, he was RIGHT!"

And everyone buys it; hook, line, and sinker.

So, again I have to ask. From what source can Skousen legitimately show that these were the explicit goals of Communists to undermine America?

Don't get me wrong, The Naked Communist is a classic book and it's a good manifesto of what America should and should not be. I despise communists, socialists, and leftists of all stripes.

But so many conservatives look like leftist caricatures of credulous conspiracy theorists by embracing this list (which has taken on an air of urban legend) as if it was some covert memorandum uncovered by the CIA in the cold war days. If conservatives want to be taken seriously, we can't be such gullible dupes.

[Bonaparte]

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BOOK REVIEW

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The Hidden Hitler

by Lothar Machtan
(Persues Press, 2001 )
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This is a serious book by a German historian about why Hitler may have been motivated to have done away with a number of those that were killed in June,1934, including Ernst Röhm. Dr. Machtan does not try to prove anything. He paints a picture of Hitler's close relationship with Röhm in the 1920s and the battle to distance the Nazis from homosexuality in the 1930s -- an anti-gay move led by Joseph Goebbels. Machtan is fair rather than wild and sensational in his approach, painting an interesting picture of goings-on in Germany after World War I. 

Lothar Machten is an assistant professor of History at Bremen University.

 

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From Biblio Review of The Hidden Hitler --

Drawing from a wealth of archival sources, much of which has been long overlooked by historians, The Hidden Hitler focuses on Hitler the man. Lothar Machtan's controversial thesis is that Adolf Hitler was homosexual, and that one cannot begin to understand him, his entry into politics, and the early Nazi movement without a clear understanding of this aspect of his identity. The Hidden Hitler documents the homosexual milieu in which the young Hitler lived and thrived from his early years in Vienna, through the beginnings of his political career in Munich, and during his years as the Fuhrer. Machtan documents a succession of homosexual and homosexually inclined men among Hitler's most intimate friends and supporters, including August Kubizek, Rudolf H‰usler, Reinhold Hanisch, Ernst Schmidt, Ernst Rohm, Dietrich Eckart, Rudolf Hess, Emil Maurice, "Putzi" Hanfstaengl and Kurt Ludecke. Of these, Eckart and Rohm were pivotal to his entry into politics. Machtan also unearths surprising new documents that attest to Hitler's homosexuality in those early years. Of particular importance is the "Mend Protocol," portions of which appear for the first time in this book.

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From the Library Journal review of The Hidden Hitler --

The first of Machtan's works to be translated into English, this is certain to be controversial. A professor of modern and current history at the University of Bremen, Germany, and the author of several scholarly books on 19th-century Germany, Machtan here presents a documented study of Hitler's homosexuality and its impact upon his life and career. Machtan asserts that Hitler's homosexuality was known to some of his associates by the beginning of World War I and later in Vienna. As he became prominent, some of his associates in homoerotic circles of the Nazi movement attempted to blackmail him. These homoerotic undercurrents and Hitler's response to blackmail provide a hitherto neglected perspective on the questions surrounding the origins and development of Nazism. Although documenting homosexuality is a difficult task for historians of periods in which gays were oppressed and repressed, Machtan is able to provide evidence for his assertions as well as a nuanced and readable study of Hitler's sexuality. Libraries that own Joachim Fest's seminal Hitler (LJ 7/74) and Ian Kershaw's Hitler, 1889-1936: Hubris (LJ 1/99) and Hitler, 1936-1945: Nemesis (LJ 11/1/00), as well as a selection of the works of George Mosse on Nazi culture, should acquire this work. Barbara Walden, Univ. of Wisconsin, Madison Copyright 2001 Cahners Business Information.
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[Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS]

Mr. Skousen's credentials stem from a law degree at George Washington University, his service in the FBI from 1935 to 1951, and a career thereafter involving four years as Police Chief of Salt Lake City, the editorship of the police magazine Law and Order, a teaching position at Brigham Young University, and many years on lecture circuits in the United States and abroad. His work in the FBI was heavy into investiga­tions of communism, and resulted in his earlier book The Naked Communist which reached the best seller list in 1961.

[Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS]

BUMP & THANKS!

[tdadams]

I'm familiar with his biography, thanks. He was also a Mormon. That alone speaks volumes about his ability to believe the unbelievable.

[Barnacle]

An Amazon.Com reviewer of Skousen's book 'The Naked Communist', has this to say:

“As I assembled over a hundred samples of the letters and reviews from all over the country, it is interesting that the principal attraction of the book was the fact that it was comprehensive, carefully documented and easy to understand.

It was equally interesting that the liberals who attempted to discredit the contents of the book never found factual errors, misrepresentations, or false conclusions which they could refute with documentation. Instead they resorted to ad hominem attacks.”

[Bonaparte]

Thankyou, Barnacle. No doubt written by a discerning reader who has actually read the book he evaluates.

On tdadams FR homepage, he avers "little patience" with "ad hominem."

In light of this, his post 69 above is instructive:

"He was also a Mormon. That alone speaks volumes about his ability to believe the unbelievable."

[Barnacle]

If there's nothing else I've learned from Free Republic, it's that it has yet to be worth my time to get into a discussion with a self-described Libertarian.

This is a Conservative web site. When I come here, I presume that I'm corresponding with other Conservatives until such time that things just ain't adding up, and a another agenda starts to shine through. That's usually when I make the discovery.

Please don't come back and say I don't want to hear the truth or some other BS. I am quite capable of discerning truth. Just because you have a different agenda, it doesn’t make “your truth” more valid.

As far as being open to other view points... Well let me just say, the world is full of "other view points". They are a dime a dozen. If I want "other view points", I'll go to the DU.

Good day.

[Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS]

it has yet to be worth my time to get into a discussion with a self-described Libertarian.

It does no good to argue ideas with those who will respond as brutes. Clarence Thomas Given as the Francis Boyer Lecture for the American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research at Washington, D.C. on February13, 2001

[Dataman]

Good luck getting a straight answer from Mr. Evasion who dismisses a book he's never even read.

How any thinking individual could defend the bizarre, brutal and dangerous abnormal behavior of practicing homosexuals is almost incomprehensible.

[Bonaparte]

I quite agree.

[tdadams]

Just because you have a different agenda, it doesn’t make “your truth” more valid.

Ditto.

[tdadams]

How any thinking individual could defend the bizarre, brutal and dangerous abnormal behavior of practicing homosexuals is almost incomprehensible.

And just where have I done that (presuming you're talking about me)? Stop making baseless allegations if you can't stand be challenged on them.

[Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS]

For a long time, notwithstanding the Hitler-Stalin pact of 1939, I accepted the conventional wisdom that Communism and Nazism were opposites — one on the extreme left, the other on the extreme right.

Perhaps enough time has passed to permit examination in realistic terms of these approaches to social organization, concentrating on essential characteristics and demonstrated aspirations as opposed to clichés. Decades of observation, as well as ceaseless consideration given to the core issues, compel me to look upon these seemingly opposite systems as mirror images, aspiring to a similar outcome, applying identical methods, achieving comparable subjugation of people under their control, spreading the same hopelessness in their paths. While such conclusions have certainly been reached by others, it may be less obvious that Fascism (Nazism) and Communism (Bolshevism) all share their philosophical foundations as well.

Gleichschaltung operated at once on structural and cultural levels. Structurally, the first victim was federalism: within days of Hitler's accession, the states had to cede authority to the central government. Next, the leadership and membership of every kind of organization had to become politically and racially correct. With the task of implementing structural changes assigned to a variety of agencies, as early as March 1933, a separate Cabinet Department was created for Josef Goebbels to oversee every aspect of the cultural scene, making certain that it was politically correct. Specific terms aside, the reality of all these regimes is the great flattening which is in full progress from day one. Since it is not possible to raise anyone's natural level by fiat, the alternative is to force everyone down.

It is astonishing and frightening how little time it took both in Russia and in Germany to accomplish this task. Indeed, it should be noted that demolishing what centuries had built does not require even a single generation.

The next ingredient had to do with groups. While it may appear contradictory to identify groups in a society having just experienced Gleichschaltung, contradictions do not represent obstacles in a totalitarian structure. The identity of groups was as necessary as the levelling had been in order to maintain positive and negative imaging. This constant dichotomy of egalitarianism and group hatred provided a manipulative tool as simple as it was ingenious. Hitler used race and nationality, Lenin and Stalin mostly class — the outcome was the same. Gleichschaltung