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Red Roots Of Gay Movement
Accuracy In Media ^ | September 10, 2003 | Cliff Kincaid

Posted on 09/10/2003 3:16:04 PM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS

It's often said that homosexuals have always been with us, as if the "gay rights" movement has just spontaneously emerged, but the truth is that it has been traced to one man, a communist named Harry Hay. This is a story that deserves to be told as society proceeds with a debate over the extent of "gay rights."

This is what lies behind the drive for homosexual marriage. Their "rights" won't end with that. They want to legalize child molestation by calling it "love." With the gay marriage debate underway, it's time for the major media to tell the full truth about the origins and founder of this "movement."

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Comment #81 Removed by Moderator

To: upright_citizen

Since when were the nazis socialists?

Although the American media uses the phrase Nazi constantly, most Americans do not know that this English word is derived from the first two syllables of the German word for ‘National Socialist’, which is Nationalsozialist (the first two syllables of this German word—the Nati part—is pronounced in German the same as how Nazi is pronounced in English).

Although the phrase Nazi appears on a regular basis in the various products of the American media, those explanatory phrases that would give some idea as to what lies behind the phrase Nazi—specifically, the phrases National Socialist and National Socialism—are, as a rule, never mentioned. Consequently, many Americans make no connection—other than the similarity in sound—between the phrase National Socialist, of which they have heard little or nothing, and the ever-present phrase Nazi, with which they are continuously bombarded in newspapers, books, magazines, radio, movies, and television.

One should note that the Germans who were National Socialists did not call themselves Nazis—just as, for example, the Republicans and Democrats in America do not call themselves Repubs and Demos—because doing so would lose the idea that the phrase contains (Republicans contains the idea of a republic; Democrats contains the idea of democracy; National Socialists contains the idea of a nation that practices socialism).

However, losing the idea that the phrase contains is the very reason that the American media uses the phrase Nazi on a constant basis: the American empire does not want to put any good ideas—such as the idea of a nation that practices socialism—into the heads of its imperial subjects. Instead, for them—those imperial subjects living in America, and also those imperial subjects living in America’s many imperial provinces around the world—Nazi, and all the associated historical lies that go with it, are all that they get. The English Phrase ‘Nazi’: Why?

 

 

82 posted on 09/11/2003 10:48:02 AM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
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To: tdadams
If Himmler or Hitler or Stalin or Mao had said that the sun seems to rise in the East or that the earth revolves around the sun o that water boils at 212 degrees at sea level, they would have been right despite the manifest errors of Nazism and/or Marxism. Likewise, Himmler's views in the first two sentences are quite accurate. They are correct despite the despicability of Himmler. His last three sentences are an expression of his Nazism and are wrong. Conservatives need to maintain the discernment to distinguish truthe from evil issuing forth from the mouths of those who are evil. Otherwise, Lucifer might turn us from the Truth by recommending that we worship God, safe in satanic knowledge that we would do the opposite of Lucifer's suggestion.
83 posted on 09/11/2003 11:44:46 AM PDT by BlackElk (Lakota Nation never legalized abortion, except the post-natal kind for Custer.)
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To: tdadams
I just thought the people who continually post this crap ought to be aware that they're keeping intellectual company with Nazi exterminators.

Really? Is there anyone around here advocating the "extermination" of homos?

84 posted on 09/11/2003 11:47:51 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: BlackElk
Spot on.
85 posted on 09/11/2003 11:49:46 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: tdadams; Bonaparte; Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS; ninenot; sittnick
See Windcatcher's #14 which clearly cites the posted material (the list of Communist goals) as printed in the Congressional Record as the extended 1963 remarks of the Florida Congressm,an named therein.

Now, you may disagree with the accuracy of the Congressman or with his description or with his lack of further citation but it is disingenuous to claim that Skousen's list has not been footnoted as to source. You may certainly disagree with Skousen.

Your FR homepage is very informative in that it contains many cites and many quotes and even some book recommendations. What you have placed there seems consistent with the Objectivist "philosophy" of Ayn Rand whose Atlas Shrugged is your first recommendation.

You undoubtedly understand that many on FR vehemently disagree with La Rand's "philosophy." Her desire for and achievement of a life of serial adultery constitutes no valid command that anyone reject God to facilitate her way of life and its acceptance. Nor do her desires and performance constitute any valid command that one ignore the contractual aspect of marriage and thereby the very concept of contract freely entered and assumed which is essential to genuine libertarianism. Likewise, Ernst Roehm's love for homosexuality in ANY form does not command tolerance given his prominent position of power within Nazism. Likewise, prominent lavenders in the US or state governments.

If Ernst and "friends" had confined their objectively disordered behavior to the privacy of their own boudoirs, who would bother interrupting their juvenile but vile pursuits. The forcng upon the general public of homosexuality is no more entitled to tolerance than is heterosexual rape or heterosexual sexual harassment.

If Ernst had been a shepherd and promised his favorite sheep that she would always be his "only and only ewe" and even acted accordingly, that would not deprive the ASPCA of the right and duty to intervene on behalf of the violated sheep, whatever an overheated Howard Dean might say in defense of the Demonratic agenda.

86 posted on 09/11/2003 12:26:28 PM PDT by BlackElk (Lakota Nation never legalized abortion, except the post-natal kind for Custer.)
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To: BlackElk

You undoubtedly understand that many on FR vehemently disagree with La Rand's "philosophy."

Rand is the wicked witch of the libertines:


87 posted on 09/11/2003 12:32:47 PM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
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To: upright_citizen; Bonaparte
Three good sources for your re-education, bearing in mind that no one was "scared out of their minds of the 'reds.'"

First, check out Ann Coulter's Treason.

Second, read the Venona Papers.

Third, Yale University Press (probably not a JBS publishing house) is about ten years into publishing the papers of the KGB and it would appear that McCarthy, if not stylish, was nonetheless on target as was Nixon and Chambers as to Hiss.

Of course, you knew that.

88 posted on 09/11/2003 12:36:30 PM PDT by BlackElk (Lakota Nation never legalized abortion, except the post-natal kind for Custer.)
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To: tdadams
If you choose to discuss matters publicly (particularly on threads started by others), you can hardly expect not to be answered by those who disagree with you, including the poster who started the thread. La Rand spoke in Olympian or even papal style (I say as a Catholic who is faithful to the pope). She was not a Freeper and seldom engaged her opponents in debate either, for understandable reasons.

Rand preferred the friendly confines of Ford Hall Forum in Boston where she could control every aspect of the performance. If you have the courage of your convictions, then you will welcome disagreement in order to better explain what you view as truth. If you fear that the flimsiness of your arguments is made glaringly obvious by debate, then you want to shut up those who disagree with you.

89 posted on 09/11/2003 12:43:01 PM PDT by BlackElk (Lakota Nation never legalized abortion, except the post-natal kind for Custer.)
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
I read a lot of and when I was very young. Then I grew up.

I meant to ping you to #89. Sorry.

90 posted on 09/11/2003 12:52:31 PM PDT by BlackElk (Lakota Nation never legalized abortion, except the post-natal kind for Custer.)
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To: BlackElk
#90: I read a lot of Rand....
91 posted on 09/11/2003 12:57:40 PM PDT by BlackElk (Lakota Nation never legalized abortion, except the post-natal kind for Custer.)
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To: BlackElk

tdadams should carefully consider all your posts on this thread and realize that Aynarchy Rand is no friend of Constitutional Republicanism.

92 posted on 09/11/2003 1:24:43 PM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
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To: BlackElk
[Ayn Rand] was not a Freeper and seldom engaged her opponents in debate either, for understandable reasons.

Well, seeing as Rand died before the existence of Free Republic, it would be difficult for her to have been a Freeper.

As for your contention that she seldom engaged in debates, well that's just flat wrong. Not only did she engage in some very public debates with some very intellectual opponents, she was an uncommonly articulate advocate of her philosophy and possessed a powerful and commanding presence which left many of her opponents at a loss of words.

93 posted on 09/11/2003 1:48:59 PM PDT by tdadams
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To: upright_citizen
What? Another Libertarian?
95 posted on 09/11/2003 3:07:04 PM PDT by Barnacle (Communism is dead. Well, it is… Isn’t it?)
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To: tdadams; ninenot; sittnick; Polycarp
Inquire around about the confrontation at Ludwig von Mises's 75th birthday party in Manhattan which was a fundraiser for YAF. La Rand swept into the rooftop hotel function room fashionably late. Von Mises was waiting for her. He started with: "So you are the silly woman who believes tha man can be free without God...." and laid into her for fifteen uninterrupted minutes of withering attack. Rand fled the room speechless and never appeared at another conservative function.

As to Rand being dead before FR began, we all know that. That was sarcasm. Did you know that in her newsletter she urged the defeat of Reagan by GERALD FORD because abortion was too important to lose?

I am sorry but if you want to worship Rand, you are not a conservative. Rand now knows she was wrong and at least some of what she impudently called "witchdoctors" were right. Hers was a rationalization and not a philosophy. Talented novelist some of the time: Anthem, We the Living, even Atlas Shrugged. Pretentious writer otherwise of what she imagined to be non-fiction.

Get married. Be faithful. Have kids. Understand life. Abandon Rand as a malevolent curiosity.

96 posted on 09/11/2003 5:39:52 PM PDT by BlackElk (Lakota Nation never legalized abortion, except the post-natal kind for Custer.)
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To: tdadams
she was an uncommonly articulate advocate of her philosophy and possessed a powerful and commanding presence which left many of her opponents at a loss of words.

You have described Hillary quite well. Did Rand share any other qualities with Hill? Such as a "me-first" attitude, a load of hypocrisy, and the inability to "articulate" when confronted with REAL intellects, such as Von Mises? Or did she just overpower political twerps like Al Greenspan?

97 posted on 09/11/2003 6:31:26 PM PDT by ninenot (Democrats make mistakes. RINOs don't correct them.--Chesterton (adapted by Ninenot))
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To: BlackElk
I'd forgotten about the dressing down Mises' gave Rand. Previously, he'd said positive things about Atlas Shrugged, and she probably considered him a supporter. Among her inner circle of friends, she was known for being utterly intolerant of criticism, of any departure from her objectivist formulations (how soviet of her). She would shun any of them who "betrayed" her by entertaining an opinion of his own. I've heard (but haven't confirmed) that she "excommunicated" Alan Greenspan for this very reason. Murray Rothbard noticed this insecurity in her and quickly learned to just avoid being candid about his reservations. She was one of those people who takes a difference of opinion as a personal affront.
98 posted on 09/11/2003 7:09:54 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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99 posted on 09/11/2003 7:10:22 PM PDT by Bob J
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To: BlackElk
I am sorry but if you want to worship Rand, you are not a conservative.

Oh, so now you say I worship Ayn Rand. I'm choking on all the hyperbole you're dishing out.

100 posted on 09/11/2003 7:51:29 PM PDT by tdadams
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