NEW ATTITUDES: Abortion foe much like John Brown

Atlanta Journal-Constittion ^ | 9/9/03 | Douglas Gladden

[madprof98]

On Dec. 2, 1859, John Brown was hanged for his deadly raid on Harpers Ferry, WV. On Sept. 3, 2003, Paul Hill was executed for the murder of Dr. John Britton and retired Lt. Col. James Barrett.

These two cases show how much society has progressed, and yet how far we have to go.

Brown fought for a group that the Supreme Court had ruled was not even worthy to be considered people. By all apparent methods, the United States government in the 1850s had stomped out what few rights black slaves hoped to hold on to.

Hill fought likewise for a group that the courts have ruled is not human beings, deserving death at the whims of the irresponsible, the immoral and the uninformed. Just as Brown felt the government had failed to bring justice to the slaves, so Hill must have felt the government had failed the millions of unborn children murdered every year.

When Brown was put on trial, he was impertinently labeled "the old idiot" by a Chicago newspaper. Today, Hill is receiving a stronger blow of names, most prominently "anti-choice extremist."

I see Hill as a modern John Brown. This is not to say that I approve of the actions of either man; in fact, they both deserved the punishment given to them. I agree with Lynda Bell, a spokeswoman for Florida Right to Life, who said: "You do not take the law into your own hands and kill in the name of life. That is a contradiction in terms and is absurd."

The point is, what Brown started with his violence ultimately led to the bloodiest war in American history, out of which the people he fought for were freed. I think we can all agree that a Civil War over abortion is not going to happen, at least not on such a national scale, yet the record shows that 1.4 million children are murdered every year by this "procedure," while only 618,000 Americans died in the Civil War.

The Constitution was cited to give slaveholders the right to their "property," just as the Constitution is cited today to give women the right to "their bodies." We can all see how the former was absurd logic. Why can't we see the insanity of the latter?

Because it's all a question of control. Just as slaveholders could wield the law to control their slaves, "women's rights" groups hold the dark shroud of abortion over the heads of women everywhere. They are not interested in "rights." In fact, it's these groups that oppose "right to know" legislation.

If they keep women in the dark about abortion's real effects, they can hold on to their political clout.

Douglas Gladden of Gainesville is a Georgia Tech sophomore.

[madprof98]

This is part of an ongoing series of op-eds by local students. I assume the AJC published this so they can generate tons of pro-abortion Letters to the Editor.

[findingtruth]

JUSTICE DESPISED: The Florida trial of Paul Hill

[kimosabe31]

"You do not take the law into your own hands and kill in the name of life. That is a contradiction in terms and is absurd."

Some of these "right to life'er's" really need to get their heads screwed on. Nothing the pro-abortion groupies and their political enablers love more than to hear the pro-life crowd paint themselves into a corner on the issue of killing abortionists. Nothing scares the shit out of them more than a few dead abortionists...a direct threat to their lives and pocketbooks. The law of the land in germany during the late 30's and 40's was to kill jews. Yet, who in their right mind would've faulted an assassin for knocking off the chief perpetrator, adolph hitler? Same with saddam hussain, joe stalin, mao, lenin.

[Commander8]

Both were mental furballs who believed the voices in their heads was God talking to them.

[kimosabe31]

"Murderers should be snuffed promptly, and really aren't worth talking about."

Apparently you're not a very bright guru or you would see the double standard in your statement. Are not abortionists murderers because a bunch supreme court morons canceled the "right of life" of helpless infants??

[findingtruth]

I hate to put a damper on free discussion, but I would not not be expressing those opinions. The fedgov does not allow free discussion on this issue. People who express opinions such as yours become FBI suspects.

[Castlebar]

On Dec. 2, 1859, John Brown was hanged for his deadly raid on Harpers Ferry, WV.

Oh, he captured Harper's Ferry with his nineteen men so true;

And he frightened ol' Virginny till she trembled through and through;

Lo they hanged him for a traitor, they themselves the traitor crew;

His Soul is living on

John Brown's body lies a' mouldering in the grave;

John Brown's body lies a' mouldering in the grave;

John Brown's body lies a' mouldering in the grave;

His soul is living on....

[findingtruth]

"He was as mad as a March hare, just like these guys who go around killing abortionists. Murderers should be snuffed promptly, and really aren't worth talking about."

Very good. Very good. Very safe statement. Just make sure you don't add something provacative, like calling an abortionist a murderer.

[findingtruth]

"John Brown's body lies a' mouldering in the grave;"

And the worms go crawling through!

[Ahban]

Trivia time. Who was the Federal Officer who planned and led the assault that re-took the arsenal at Harper's Ferry?

[First_Salute]

Friend of mine is a grandma again.

The baby is a boy, born premature, they say.

The guy weighed in at 3 pounds.

Well, there was the usual panic and all, with all kinds of what to do.

As I listened to the excitement, what was striking, however, was what the kid was doing.

Not many people were paying attention to the kid.

All he wanted to do was eat.

He wasn't "blue."

He did not have bad blood pressure.

He did not have anything.

There's actually nothing wrong with the guy.

He just happened to be born a little early.

After this second weekend, a calm began to set in as everybody noticed, finally, that junior is hungry.

I say he's HUNGRY!

You know what happened?

The mom, it turns out, had a very, very, minor problem, and he was not getting what he needed.

I say he was hungry!

The kid, bless his little heart, reached out and hit the EJECT(!) plunger.

Just like that, BANG!

The boy was launched.

From that moment, all he's wanted is food.

This young man decided when he was going to be born.

At an age when the U.S. Supreme Court has decided that he should have died.

The government of the United States of America is responsible for hundreds of thousands of dead babies, and so are the millions of people supporting this bloodbath.

Take any one of these supporters with their big fat mouths, and give them 200 of these babies, for them to twist the little heads off, so that the young mothers can go about their business.

I'll bet you that the executioners will all end up completely mindless in a short time.

They are already trying to kill themselves.

Eventually, somebody is going to publish the suicide rate for abortionists, err ... "doctors," err ... life sciences change artists ... whatever.

Dear George Washington,

The government of the United States, has seen in the powers authorized it, the power to abort the births of every baby in the country.

If this be true, if this law be intended, then, should every mother choose abortion, so shall be it.

I doubt, sir, that was your wish; therefore, the law is not true --- though it "rings legal," it is not lawful, for it plainly has escaped the realm for which you fought, and a few of us still do.

That little man chose liberty, not death, if a body cares to notice.

Thank you.

[joanie-f]

A wonderful story, Mike. So glad that at least you were cognizant of this baby's strengths and needs, as all others appear to have been too busy wringing their hands.

Two of the young women in my choir are expecting their first babies early next year. This past Sunday they were talking about what an incomparable feeling it is to experience those first 'signs of life': the tiny little movements as the baby shifts position, or as he stretches out an arm or a leg inside his water-filled home. (I actually remember, when carrying my children, being completely mesmerized watching a tiny 'bulge' move from one side of my stomach to the other as the hand or foot attached to the 'mass of fetal tissue' (as pro-abortion advocates would call it) traversed from one side to the other -- and nearly being brought to tears by envisioning that precious life that was growing within me (and already showing signs of having a mind of its own :).

When I was talking with these two young women, we began to ask questions such as, 'Can you imagine a woman experiencing what you are experiencing right now, at this point in a pregnancy, and then deciding to terminate that life within her?' Both of them (and I) physically and emotionally cringed at the thought. Or a woman whose baby’s development has progressed even farther, and she has seen pictures of him moving, smiling, grimacing, sucking his fingers .... and then the woman allows this child to become the victim of a partial birth abortion? How can such a woman continue to feel at peace with herself, when every day for the rest of her life she must live with the knowledge that she allowed the skull of her innocent unborn child to be pierced with the points of scissors, and she condoned his brain being suctioned from his tiny body?

Evil has known many faces throughout the history of mankind (the Spanish Inquisition, the Killing Fields of Cambodia, the concentration camps of WWII Germany .... the list is endless). But I truly believe that there is nothing more evil than partial birth abortion (the vilest 'level' of the holocaust that is abortion). Because it flies in the face of 'human-ness' and the genetic female instinct to defend and protect her young – that a mother would sanction (that she herself would order) the torturous killing of her own nearly full-term child.

These depraved 'women' perform such a violent capital crime against their own children more than five thousand times a year. And the vast majority of the criminals are healthy; their little victims are healthy as well -- and three-quarters of them are more fully developed than your friend's feisty little newborn grandson.

No matter what else I knew about her .... no matter her other lofty 'character credentials' .... if I were to know a woman who had sentenced her child to death by partial birth abortion, and who had not afterwards realized, and asked forgiveness for, the evil that she had done .... I could not lay eyes on her, or allow myself to be in her company. She represents the blackest form of human wickedness.

And being irresponsible, immoral, or uninformed doesn’t make the evil any less so.

That little man chose liberty, not death, if a body cares to notice .... First_Salute

Amen. And God bless him. (Give him a gentle hug for me, when you see him next, will you?)

~ joanie

[kimosabe31]

Joanie...there are not words adequate enough to describe the vileness of abortion, but you have come as close as any I have yet read.

[kimosabe31]

Easy...Robert E. Lee.

[kimosabe31]

Thanks for the "heads up". I'll keep an eye peeled for the abortionist "brown shirts" at the front door.

[Held_to_Ransom]

In a society where Americans of African heritage could be killed for no reason other than the whim of the master, and with absolutely no legal libilities for the master, but rather the legal liability of the state to compensate the master for the lost slave, the actions of John Brown were nothing new. Certainly we can not endorse such notions, but we can observe that John Brown's contribution to history was ulitmately most profound, and as a nation we have much to thank him for.

On a similar note, I would point out that the Abolitionist movement really got rolling when state courts thumbed their noses at Federal law. What president will want to send troops to occupy a state because it outlaws abortion and denies SCOTUS? I don't know now, but in John Brown's time, there were many states that did, and even pro-slaver presidents refused to send any troops into these states, even when they locked slave masters up for ten years at a stretch.

[Ahban]

Good! To be great, what is the name of the officer who was in charge of security at Brown's hanging? OR who was the messenger that Lee used to convey a request that Brown surrender minutes before the feds took back the arsenal?

[kimosabe31]

Good! To be great, what is the name of the officer who was in charge of security at Brown's hanging?

OR who was the messenger that Lee used to convey a request that Brown surrender minutes before the feds took back the arsenal?

Don't know the first one. I think Jeb Stewart or Custer was the courier.

[Ahban]

Congratulations. I rate you as great! Lt. Jebb Stuart was in fact the officer who relayed the demand for surrender.

Major Thomas J. Jackson was the officer in charge of security at Brown's hanging. Later, Jackson would earn the monicker "Stonewall".