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Nearly 200 who tried to enter US on student visas turned away
Associated Press ^ | Sep. 09, 2003 | SUZANNE GAMBOA

Posted on 09/09/2003 1:16:38 PM PDT by Dubya

WASHINGTON - Nearly 200 people were turned away after trying to enter the country on student visas last month when their names failed to show up in the government's new database of foreign students, a Homeland Security Department official said Tuesday.

One of the 190 cases has led the agency to investigate a possible conspiracy to bring groups of foreign students illegally into the United States, said Asa Hutchinson, the department's undersecretary for border and transportation security.

Universities, schools and other institutions that enroll foreign students had until Aug. 1 to enter identifying information of all enrolled foreign students into the Student Exchange Visitor Information System, or SEVIS.

Hutchinson said border security officials contacted schools when a student's name did not appear on the foreign student tracking system. If the school didn't have the required immigration forms from the student, the student was refused entry.

"It's not just a matter of a glitch in the system," he said. "They were really trying to come in under false information. That does not mean they are terrorists, but it certainly poses a challenge to the integrity of our system and potential danger to our country."

Hutchinson said about 600,000 foreign students returned to the United States for the fall and more than 6,400 schools have students registered in the system.

Congress authorized the foreign student tracking system after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. Fifteen of the 19 Sept. 11 hijackers entered the U.S. legally on travel visas. Three were admitted with business visas and one on a student visa.

Hutchinson declined to give details about the investigation into the possible conspiracy case but said it was "fairly routine in our business that we have fraudulent use of documents and investigations with regards to that."

The 190 students who were turned away would have passed background and name checks in the process of applying for their visas, Hutchinson said, adding that information barring some students' entry to the United States may have been discovered after the visa was issued. Some students could have had four-year student visas, but had dropped out of school and were trying to return on the student visa.

"It doesn't mean our visa system broke down there at all," he said. Names of students who were turned away will be on watch lists so they will be stopped if they try to enter the country again.

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1 posted on 09/09/2003 1:16:39 PM PDT by Dubya
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To: Dubya
SO that's 200 out of 600,000? 1 in 3000?

Gee, I feel safer already.

2 posted on 09/09/2003 1:22:07 PM PDT by theDentist (Liberals can sugarcoat sh** all they want. I'm not biting.)
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To: theDentist
Yep, 600,000 spread out over 6,000 different schools. No problem here.
3 posted on 09/09/2003 1:24:27 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
I'd also like to see the ethnicity of those rejected. I'll bet it's a bunch of Italians, Poles, Irish and Swedes.

Wouldn't want to deny any Saudis, Yemenis or Pakistanis, and risk appearing anti-Muslim.

4 posted on 09/09/2003 1:27:34 PM PDT by dead (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead!)
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To: theDentist
200 is not many. They must not have had enough money.
5 posted on 09/09/2003 1:31:16 PM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: DoughtyOne; theDentist
Universities ...had until Aug. 1 to enter identifying information of all enrolled foreign students into the Student Exchange Visitor Information System, or SEVIS.

border security officials contacted schools when a student's name did not appear on the foreign student tracking system. If the school didn't have the required immigration forms from the student, the student was refused entry.

Hutchinson said ...more than 6,400 schools have students registered in the system.

The sarcasim expressed by each of you not withstanding, it seems to me that the system is indeed working to make it a bit more difficult for non-student 'students' to get.

How many real foreign students attend schools in the USA, without problems (and have for many years)? The fact that we have a system in place that the schools must register on is at least an imporovement of past methods.

6 posted on 09/09/2003 1:37:37 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (‘California will continue to be a laboratory for failed liberal policies.’ - Ann Coulter)
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To: Michael.SF.
I don't discount what you say, because it has some merit, but 200 rejects out of 600,000 is low even for clerical errors. This is a 0.0003% rejection rate. I would think clerical snafus would creat something on the order of 0.5 to 2.0% error rates.
7 posted on 09/09/2003 1:42:34 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Dubya
Now if we can only put a dent in the 4000 - 6000 that SUCESSFULLY sneak across our borders every 24 hours, we might be a bit safer.

Jeez, even the pin head at the helm of the FBI acknowledged that our borders were a serious issue, today. I wonder who woke him from his deep sleep?
8 posted on 09/09/2003 1:51:31 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Michael.SF.
Yes, it may be working.

I have no problem with those folks who have come to the US to study (be it medicine, mathematics, law, engineering, etc). But I must admit I am concerned about those who come as "students" that then don't sign up for classes, that disappear into cities never found again.

9 posted on 09/09/2003 2:48:13 PM PDT by theDentist (Liberals can sugarcoat sh** all they want. I'm not biting.)
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To: Michael.SF.
I'm also a bit suspicious of those who come in under a student visa claiming to be a "student of life".
10 posted on 09/09/2003 2:50:07 PM PDT by theDentist (Liberals can sugarcoat sh** all they want. I'm not biting.)
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To: Michael.SF.
How many real foreign students attend schools in the USA, without problems (and have for many years)?

And plenty of them have been good kids.

The ones that bother me are the ones that get good grades, and then go home with textbooks like "Reactor Physics in the Resonance and Thermal Region".

I think it might be time to rethink the situation. Exactly WHO is getting helped by these programs, other than the college's bottom line?

Pardon my very,very bad Second Week Of September combative and furious mood, not directed at fellow Freepers.

11 posted on 09/09/2003 3:01:37 PM PDT by Gorzaloon (Contents may have settled during shipping, but this tagline contains the stated product weight.)
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To: taxed2death
LOL. I'm glad he woke up.
12 posted on 09/09/2003 3:12:49 PM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: Dubya
Nearly 200 who tried to enter US on student visas turned away


Say,"Thank you Osama."

"Thank you Osama."
13 posted on 09/09/2003 3:14:49 PM PDT by tet68
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To: Dubya
200 out of 600,000? Homeland security is a freaking joke.
14 posted on 09/09/2003 3:17:03 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: tet68
LOL. I didn't think of that.
15 posted on 09/09/2003 3:20:39 PM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: Dubya
They'll just come over the practically open Mexican border, no problem.
16 posted on 09/09/2003 4:17:19 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: janetgreen
True. LOL
17 posted on 09/09/2003 4:20:34 PM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: Dubya
I guess no one told these guys they could have just snuck into California and got in-state tuition and a drivers license too!
18 posted on 09/09/2003 5:02:17 PM PDT by sixmil
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To: sixmil
They didn't get the word. In the Marines we called them 10%, they never get the word.
LOL but its sad they could have done that.
19 posted on 09/09/2003 5:15:33 PM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: Gorzaloon
The ones that bother me are the ones that get good grades, and then go home with textbooks like "Reactor Physics in the Resonance and Thermal Region".

I agree with you fully on the above. I have no problem with students from most foreign countries, but we need to strongly reconsider countries like China and most of the mid-east countries.

This is of course a huge battle against the leftists. Clinton, in spite of declaring Bush Sr. to be soft on China, has bent over forward for them so much that it is pitiful. The allowing of such students to take classes like you mentioned is a testament to what the left is willing to tolerate to achieve their on-world-one government 'utopia.'

20 posted on 09/09/2003 6:44:02 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (‘California will continue to be a laboratory for failed liberal policies.’ - Ann Coulter)
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