[ultima ratio]

Out-argued--are you kidding? I've been out-insulted, out-pilloried, out-shouted. There has been no semblance of any kind of argument on this thread. Do you know how many people all at once clamored for responses--at least six, all writing profusely and demanding rebuttals to every minor point. Screw it. It would be fine if at the end of the day some mutual respect were established and some light shed on a matter. But to be called a "creep", "a homosexual" and an "anti-semite" merely because I take a contrary position is irrational and adolescent. This is not argument, it's verbal abuse.

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

Do you know how many people all at once clamored for responses--at least six, all writing profusely and demanding rebuttals to every minor point.

None of which, it should be pointed out, you have yet to competently or convincingly rebut; sulkily demanding, all the while, that others accept your arguments, no matter how readily or thoroughly discredited, "as is."

As pointed out to you before, kiddo: NOT the way grownups -- or intellectually honest adolescents, even -- handle these sorts of things, really.

For the record: you have now dodged answering the points raised no less than five separate times.

Suggestion: why not at least salvage what honor and respect you can, at this point; suck it up, like a man; stick out your hand; and admit that you weren't able to counter the evidence of contemporaneous Arab sources, or Morris' gainsaying of his own earlier works?

Even if it means you (obviously) don't end up winning the debate: you may at least score a few much-needed (IMHO) points in the Good Sportsmanship department.