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To: ultima ratio
Do you know how many people all at once clamored for responses--at least six, all writing profusely and demanding rebuttals to every minor point.

None of which, it should be pointed out, you have yet to competently or convincingly rebut; sulkily demanding, all the while, that others accept your arguments, no matter how readily or thoroughly discredited, "as is."

As pointed out to you before, kiddo: NOT the way grownups -- or intellectually honest adolescents, even -- handle these sorts of things, really.

For the record: you have now dodged answering the points raised no less than five separate times.

Suggestion: why not at least salvage what honor and respect you can, at this point; suck it up, like a man; stick out your hand; and admit that you weren't able to counter the evidence of contemporaneous Arab sources, or Morris' gainsaying of his own earlier works?

Even if it means you (obviously) don't end up winning the debate: you may at least score a few much-needed (IMHO) points in the Good Sportsmanship department.

119 posted on 09/09/2003 8:26:41 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("The Clintons have damaged our country. They have done it together, in unison." -- Peggy Noonan)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
From Benny Morris, regarding the Palestinian exodus having been ordered by Arab leaders. The BBC in particular monitored all radio broadcasts in the region. These are available in the British Museum to any scholar. There is no record of any such Arab orders, as Israel had claimed.


"Had such a blanket order (or series of orders) been given, it would have found an echo in the thousands of documents produced by the Haganah's Intelligence Service, the IDF Intelligence Service, the Jewish Agency's Political Department Arab Division, the Foreign Ministry Middle East Affairs Department; or in the memoranda and dispatches of the various British and American diplomatic posts in the area (in Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, Haifa, Amman, Beirut, Damascus, and Cairo); or in the various radio monitoring services (such as the BBC's). Any or all of these would have produced reports, memoranda, or correspondence referring to the Arab order and quoting from it. But no such reference to or quotation from such an order or series of orders exists in the contemporary documentation. This documentation, it should be noted, includes daily, almost hourly, monitoring of Arab radio broadcasts, the Arab press inside and outside Palestine, and statements by the Arab and Palestinian Arab leaders." [Tikkun, Jan/Feb 1990, p80]


120 posted on 09/09/2003 8:34:33 AM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
By the way, Morris never denounced his earlier works as you say--which, in any case, have been amply corroborated by other sources as well. That is simply another false statement by you. He has rejected the Palestinians as objects of his sympathy, that is all--but this is something else. He has said he only believes Ben Gurion did not go far enough--not that he did not attempt to purge the new nation of indigenous Arabs. Nor can you prove what you contend--that he has renounced his own scholarship.
121 posted on 09/09/2003 8:44:32 AM PDT by ultima ratio
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