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To: Avoiding_Sulla
McClintock is blowing smoke up your skirt about those contracts.

He cannot simply "void" them; rather, he will waste California taxpayers dollars trying to take them down in the courts, and the energy companies will fight him every step of the way.

In the end, he will lose.

7 posted on 09/07/2003 9:25:37 AM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from a shelter. You'll save a life, and enrich your own!)
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To: sinkspur
What's the matter, sink? Didn't what I wrote at the end of #1, er, sink in? Here, let me highlight what I shouldn't need to if you think you have a real issue.

The only reason the moneyed interests, their media, and Pete Wilson's machine are afraid to beat Senator McClintock over his head with it, is either he is dead-on right, or they are waiting until October 5 to reveal how wrong he is. Either way, we must make this issue the grassroots buzz all over the state.

If you want to get people to abandon Senator McClintock for our own good, why not prove him wrong instead of bloviating?

10 posted on 09/07/2003 9:33:04 AM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla (You can't see where we're going when you don't look where we've been.)
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To: sinkspur
I doubt that anyone here knows the facts well enough to know whether a court would hold that California had the right to void the contracts, but up here in the Northwest the Oregon Supreme Court, the Washington Supreme Court, and the United States Supreme Court all let public utilities walk away from billions in bond obligations because of similarly arcane legal arguments.
14 posted on 09/07/2003 9:37:26 AM PDT by Iconoclast2
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To: sinkspur; Avoiding_Sulla
McClintock is blowing smoke up your skirt about those contracts.

He cannot simply "void" them; rather, he will waste California taxpayers dollars trying to take them down in the courts, and the energy companies will fight him every step of the way.

In the end, he will lose.

Title, Chapter, and Section of the California Code, please.

McClintock has cited them, can you?

Government Code section 1090 is unambiguous: “(State) employees shall not be financially interested in any contract made by them in their official capacity.” Specifically, if that public official has received more than five percent of his income from an entity affected by that contract, the contract is void. Here is California Government Code Section 1090: 1090. Members of the Legislature, state, county, district, judicial district, and city officers or employees shall not be financially interested in any contract made by them in their official capacity, or by any body or board of which they are members. Nor shall state, county, district, judicial district, and city officers or employees be purchasers at any sale or vendors at any purchase made by them in their official capacity. As used in this article, "district" means any agency of the state formed pursuant to general law or special act, for the local performance of governmental or proprietary functions within limited boundaries. If Ahnol's supporters keep this up it should do wonders for McClintock's campaign.
25 posted on 09/07/2003 9:54:58 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (California! See how low WE can go!)
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To: sinkspur
Excuse me .. "wasting taxpayer dollars"

How come you're not more worried about TEXAS tax dollars that your wonderful democrat senators are wasting while they lollygag in NM.

And .. how do you know that the conservatives in California WANT McClintock to do whatever he can to VOID those contracts. You people from out of state are clueless.
47 posted on 09/07/2003 10:30:59 AM PDT by CyberAnt ( America - "The Greatest Nation on the Face of the Earth")
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To: sinkspur
He cannot simply "void" them; rather, he will waste California taxpayers dollars trying to take them down in the courts, and the energy companies will fight him every step of the way.
In the end, he will lose.

That is also my asumption.
My other assumption is that legal debts must be paid off. There is no escape. There is no debt fairy.

The State is not allowed constitutionally to practice deficit spending, yet there is no penalty for their doing so. First thing that needs to happen is an initiative called Legislative Incompetence Act. I am serious. This would prevent deficit spending, and really egregious acts like leaving the state to prevent quorums, a la Texas.
The penalty must be mandatory serious jail time, and forfeiture of all benefits including retirement, or barring that, restitution.

None of us, on a family level, can ever earn enough money to address all the "good" things that we can imagine and set right. Why should a state be allowed to?
And then there's the out and out outrageous funding of things like gay parades or teaching mandatory Islam in all our schools.

California is one sick state. Fix it now or prepare for a fiscal funeral and/or a civil insurrection. Legislating legalized extortion can only work so long.

55 posted on 09/07/2003 10:44:48 AM PDT by Publius6961 (californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: sinkspur
McClintock is clearly the best candidate, but Arnold is tne most electable. That being said, there is no reason to believe that Arnold will not adopt the same position on the energy contracts if the position has merit.
59 posted on 09/07/2003 10:49:49 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: sinkspur
he will waste California taxpayers dollars trying to take them down in the courts
That makes about as much sense as anti-recallers complaining about the cost of the recall. The deficit currently increases at a rate of approximately the cost of a recall per day and a half. The cost of fighting these contracts in court (and I don't think the energy co's will put up that big of a fight from the PR perspective) will be about 3 or 4 hours of deficit growth... Well worth the odds...
60 posted on 09/07/2003 10:49:54 AM PDT by Axenolith (but I still _feel_ free... maybe you should try shooting me again.)
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To: sinkspur
Yada... Yada... Yada...
85 posted on 09/07/2003 11:20:18 AM PDT by SierraWasp (You have to ask yourself... Would you hire anybody from CA's government to fix anything?(besides Tom)
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To: sinkspur; Avoiding_Sulla
"Senator McClintock has pledged to immediately sign a stipulation for the court case seeking to void those contracts, admitting that Governor Davis' negotiator had a conflict of interest, allowing the court to void those contracts and save the people of California a small fortune."

Avoiding_Sulla...you said that.

"He cannot simply "void" them; rather, he will waste California taxpayers dollars trying to take them down in the courts, and the energy companies will fight him every step of the way."

sinkspur said that.

So, you Sulla said that the issue will have to be decided in the Courts, and so did sinkspur. You seem to have this idea that the power companies will simply walk away from tens of billions of dollars in cintracts when face by McClintock, sinkspur thinks that they will fight in Court, costing California a whole ton of money in Court fees.

"If you want to get people to abandon to support Senator McClintock for our own good based on this idea, why not prove him sinkspur wrong instead of bloviating, and convince us all how the energy companies will walk away without a Court fight?"

As far as to whether the energy companies or McClintock will win in Court, your guess is no better than anyone else's. I have a tendency to believe that it's going to be a real mother getting those contracts voided.

110 posted on 09/07/2003 12:00:54 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (There's no such thing as a stupid question, there are however, many inquisitive morons out there...)
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To: sinkspur
He cannot simply "void" them; rather, he will waste California taxpayers dollars trying to take them down in the courts, and the energy companies will fight him every step of the way.

This reminds me of what President Jackson said when the Supreme Court ruled that his actions were unconstitutional: "The Supreme Court is free to send its army after mine."

Likewise, if Governor McClintock voids the contracts, the judges can pound their gavels all they want, but the money isn't under their control. And one thing I've noticed about judges is that they tend to back down when the public is rabidly 99% in favor of a policy -- as they are on this one.

Perhaps you're thinking that George W. Bush will send in the federal troops to enforce the energy contracts? Sorry, he has an election to win, too. And besides, the federal troops are all in Iraq.

McClintock has the Constitution and the will of the people on his side. The era of judicial tyranny can end here and now.

194 posted on 09/07/2003 4:37:39 PM PDT by JoeSchem (Which way is Arnold's political weather vane pointing today?)
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