"Zeitgeist Surfing" (Arnold's group-sex story "pretty disgusting" -- Michael Kinsley)

slate ^ | sep 4, 03 | Michael Kinsley

[churchillbuff]

""""if it did happen, exactly as Arnold described it in 1977, it's pretty disgusting. It's disgusting even if it was consensual all around. It's disgusting even though Arnold wasn't married at the time. It's disgusting even if this amounts to applying the standards of the 21st century to events of the mid-1970s. """

The irony here is that the so-called "conservatives" who are Arnold sycophants loudly deny that the story is disgusting - -- - It shows how the Arnold candidacy is degrading the conservative movement and the Republican Party by defining deviancy down, even in the party that is supposed to stand for standards.

[Hildy]

HA! Michael Kinsley...You're sinking pretty low there, Churchill.

[Brasil]

Tsk, tsk! And where was Kinsley's outrage and questioning the suitablity of Voldemort's qualifications for the highest office when it was 'just about consensual sex' or an old rape story??

[Az Joe]

Kinsley can't even get a two person orgy going with his wife.

[Eva]

Michael Kinsley is disgusted by Arnold's behavior of thirty years ago, but wasn't at all disgusted by Bill Clinton's sexual escapades, and Arnold was at least single at the time.

[churchillbuff]

Tsk, tsk! And where was Kinsley's outrage and questioning the suitablity of Voldemort's qualifications for the highest office when it was 'just about consensual sex' or an old rape story??

Your point can be turned around - - where are the conservatives who had a problem with Clinton, even with his antics as far back as the 70s? Arnold's candidacy is making them feel comfortable with depravity - - - - that's why I say it's exercising a degrading influence on the party. Having a GOP governor of the largest state be a pro-abort, pro-gay-adoption liberal is going to undermine the party as a voice for social standards, but I guess you don't care about that?

[xm177e2]

but wasn't at all disgusted by Bill Clinton's sexual escapades

That's not true.

[churchillbuff]

Michael Kinsley is disgusted by Arnold's behavior of thirty years ago, but wasn't at all disgusted by Bill Clinton's sexual escapades, and Arnold was at least single at the time.

You were disgusted by Clinton, but not by Arnold's group sex, or by his - present-day - pro-abortion, pro-gay-adoption-of-young-boys position. Why is Kinsley more of a hypocrite than the "conservatives" who shed their moral standards in order to swoon over Arnold?

[Common Tator]

If Clinton gets one Free Grope and Arnie gets one Free Gangbang, is it OK if Clinton inhales?

The only difference between Clinton and Arnie is that Clinton is ashamed of what he has done.

[churchillbuff]

Why is Kinsley more of a hypocrite than the "conservatives" who once affirmed family values, the value of life and that gays should be allowed to adopt young boys, but who have now shed their moral standards in order to swoon over Arnold?

[Eva]

It is true, O'Reilly posted comparison quotes from Kinsley on his show, yesterday.

[SamAdams76]

There is more irony in the fact that the same folks who were calling Bill Clinton's sexual antics with Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Joanne Broaderick (and others) "ancient history" and telling us to "just move on" are now all worked up about something that happened when bell-bottoms were in style and the BeeGees hadn't even recorded Night Fever.

I agree with you that Arnold's candidacy does little to enhance the conservative movement. But I just thought I'd point that out.

[churchillbuff]

The only difference between Clinton and Arnie is that Clinton is ashamed of what he has done.

Shame at least shows a sense of right and wrong.

[aruanan]

"Zeitgeist Surfing" (Arnold's group-sex story "pretty disgusting" -- Michael Kinsley)

Yes, but on the other hand, Michael Kinsley is, in and of himself, pretty disgusting.

[Monty22]

I think conservatives are disgusted by both of them in this regard. However, the clinton thing just wasn't about sex. It was about rape and perjury.

[aruanan]

The only difference between Clinton and Arnie is that Clinton is ashamed of what he has done.

You have no basis to say this, doubly so.

[Larry Lucido]

Hey, Kinsley, you idiot, Clinton's transgressions concerned improper use of power to quash his accusers in sexual harassment cases, including such tactics as character assassination and use of military force as a diversion. Kennedy's transgression concerned homicide, not sex.

In contrast, Arnold's transgressions indeed concerned only sex, while he was single, 3 decades ago. Only a moron can't discern the difference.

[deport]

The only difference between Clinton and Arnie is that Clinton is ashamed of what he has done.

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LOL..... You now believe Clinton?...... LOL

[Hildy]

Nobody is swooning, Churchill. I know you understand this, but I will repeat it. I would rather have a fiscal conservative than a Socialist right now as Governor of California. These are our choices. McClintock cannot and will not win. Next best thing, Arnold. I will not cut off my nose to spite my face. If you wish too, go right ahead. But don't you dare post anything about the plight of California when Gov. Bustamante starts giving us away.