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Don't Say We Were Not Warned About This Chaos(Fisk Alert)
Jihad Unspun ^ | Sep 06, 2003 | Robert Fisk

Posted on 09/06/2003 11:10:04 AM PDT by demlosers

How arrogant was the path to war. As President Bush now desperately tries to cajole the old UN donkey to rescue him from Iraq - he who warned us that the UN was in danger of turning into a League of Nations "talking shop" if it declined him legitimacy for his invasion - we are supposed to believe that no one in Washington could have guessed the future.

Messrs Bush and Blair fantasised their way to war with all those mythical weapons of mass destruction and "imminent threats" from Iraq - whether of the 45-minute variety or not - and of the post-war "liberation", "democracy" and map-changing they were going to bestow upon the region. But the record shows just how many warnings the Bush administration received from sane and decent men in the days before we plunged into this terrible adventure.

Take the Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearings in Washington on the eve of war. Assistant Under Secretary Douglas Feith, one of Rumsfeld's "neo-cons", revealed that an office for "post-war planning" had only been opened three weeks earlier. He and Under Secretary of State Marc Grossman conceded that the Pentagon had been "thinking" about post-war Iraq for 10 months. "There are enormous uncertainties," Feith said. "The most you can do in planning is develop concepts."

US senators at the time were highly suspicious of the "concept" bit. When Democrat Joe Biden asked if anyone in the Bush administration had planned the post-war government of Iraq, Grossman replied that "There are things in our country we're not going to be able to do because of our commitment in Iraq." Richard Lugar, the Republican chairman then asked: "Who will rule Iraq and how? Who will provide security? How long might US troops conceivably remain? Will the United Nations have a role?"

Ex-General Anthony Zinni, once the top man in US Central Command with "peacekeeping" experience in Kosovo, Somalia and (in 1991) northern Iraq, smelled a rat and said so in public. "Do we want to transform Iraq or just transition it out from under the unacceptable regime of Saddam Hussein into a reasonably stable nation? Transformation implies significant changes in forms of governance... Certainly there will not be a spontaneous democracy..."

Zinni spoke of the "long hard" journey towards reconstruction and added - with ironic prescience - that "It isn't going to be a handful of people that drive out of the Pentagon, catch a plane and fly in after the military peace to try to pull this thing together."

But incredibly, that's exactly what happened. First it was Jay "pull-your-stomach-in-and-say-you're-proud-to-be-an-American" Garner, and then the famous "anti-terrorism" expert Paul Bremer who washed up in Baghdad to hire and then re-hire the Iraqi army and then - faced with one dead American a day (and 250 US troops wounded in August alone) - to rehire the murderous thugs of Saddam's torture centres to help in the battle against "terrorism". Iraq, Bremer blandly admitted last week, will need "several tens of billions" of dollars next year alone.

No wonder Rumsfeld keeps telling us he has "enough" men in Iraq. Sixteen of Americas's 33 combat brigades are now in the cauldron of Iraq - five others are also deployed overseas - and the 82nd Airborne, only just out of Afghanistan (where another five US troops were killed last weekend) is about to be deployed north of Baghdad. "Bring 'em on," Bush taunted America's guerrilla enemies last month. Well, they've taken him at his word. There is so far not a shred of evidence that the latest Bush administration fantasy - "thousands" of foreign Islamist "jihadi" fighters streaming into Iraq to kill Americans - is true.

But it might soon be. And what will be told then? Wasn't Iraq invaded to destroy terrorism rather than to recreate it? We were told Iraq was going to be transformed into a democracy and suddenly it's to be a battleground for more "war against terror". America, Bush now tells his people, "is confronting terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan... so our people will not have to confront terrorist violence in New York or... Los Angeles." So that's it then. Draw all these nasty terrorists into our much-loved "liberated" Iraq and they'll obligingly leave the "homeland" alone. I wonder.

But notice, too, how everything is predicated to America's costs, to American blood. An American commentator, Rosie DiManno, wrote this week that in Iraq "There's also the other cost, the one measured in human lives... one American a day slain since Bush declared the major fighting over." Note here how the blood of Iraqis - whom we were so desperate to liberate six months ago - has disappeared from the narrative. Up to 20 innocent Iraqi civilians a day are now believed to be dying - in murders, revenge killings, at US checkpoints - and yet they no longer count. No wonder journalists now have to seek permission from the occupation authorities to visit Baghdad hospitals. Who knows how many corpses they would find in the morgue?

"The Baghdad communiqués are belated, insincere, incomplete. Things are far worse than we have been told... We are today not far short of a disaster." The writer was describing the crumbling British occupation of Iraq, under guerrilla attack in 1920. His name was Lawrence of Arabia.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agitprop; antibush; bushbashing; clymer; dnctalkingpoints; fisk; iraqaftermath; lordhawhawjunior; notthiscrapagain; quagmire; robertfisk

1 posted on 09/06/2003 11:10:05 AM PDT by demlosers
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2 posted on 09/06/2003 11:11:35 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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Iraqi Army’s Defenses Seem Impenetrable

3 posted on 09/06/2003 11:14:04 AM PDT by dighton (Go Angelyne Go!)
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To: demlosers
The fact it was written by Fisk means it is unnecessary to read. It is chock full of pro-extremist-Islamic anti-US vitriol. The man is a bumbling, befuddled, used old fool.
4 posted on 09/06/2003 11:18:38 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I am the extended middle finger in the fist of life.)
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To: facedown
Many paragraphs....nothing said.
Go cash your check and get some of them beans you like and a nice drink with an umbrella, Bobby.

You "earned" it.

5 posted on 09/06/2003 11:20:35 AM PDT by eddie willers (I live in my own little world, but that's ok....they know me here.)
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To: demlosers
Not that we needed it, but this is futher evidence we are doing the right thing in Iraq.
6 posted on 09/06/2003 11:23:08 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: demlosers
Reading the bigoted works of Robert Fisk is like renting a studio apartment -- downstairs from a three-hole latrine.

Did I miss anything?

Congressman Billybob

Latest column, "We Are Running for Congress -- Maybe," discussion thread on FR.

7 posted on 09/06/2003 11:31:04 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Everyone talks about Congress; time to act on it. www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: demlosers
Geez, we get attacked and thousands of Americans are murdered by terrorists....what's he want us to do? Just brace ourselves for another attack and learn how to forgive and forget?

He wasn't so concerned about our troops or innocent civilians when we lost lives in Mogadishu. He is also not aware of Clinton's repeated denials of requests from the Special Operations team for Bradley Fighting Vehicles (on-ground armored vehicles) and for AC-130 gunships (propeller-driven aircraft designed to fly around battlefields and deliver highly accurate and destructive gunfire on enemy ground forces}.

These liberals are clueless when it comes to defending a nation. They want no war but who does? Americans can't sit around holding hands with one another singing "We are the World) and expect that to end all terrorism.

The terrorism didn't just start when Bush took office....we suffered time and time again during Clinton's presidency, only for him to promise that they would go after those who attacked us. Well, we all know how that turned out.
8 posted on 09/06/2003 11:33:12 AM PDT by Arpege92
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To: demlosers
Fisk is still alive? I would have thought a tragic crossfire incident could have been arranged by now.
9 posted on 09/06/2003 11:45:26 AM PDT by JennysCool
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I'm continually amazed when leftist/libs are astounded that there are terrorists in Iraq. Before the war they claiming that there was absolutely no connection between Hussein and Al-Qaeda and other Islamo-fascist terrorists. Now that it has been proven that Al-Qaeda and other nutzo zealots are in Iraq attacking our soldiers, they somehow think that they have won the argument. I'm scratching my head at their logic, but then, like Fisk, these are the same people who predicted that we could not defeat Iraq's army. They were incredibly wrong then , and they are incredibly wrong now.
10 posted on 09/06/2003 3:16:02 PM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: demlosers
I thought according to Fisk we should still be involved in a hopeless battle to conquer Baghdad, mired in the "Saddam" line defences.
11 posted on 09/06/2003 11:06:03 PM PDT by Kozak (" No mans life liberty or property is safe when the legislature is in session." Mark Twain)
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To: demlosers
Why is so much liberal tripe being posted?
12 posted on 09/06/2003 11:10:19 PM PDT by Consort
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To: demlosers
We FReeped Fisk on a Friday in Sacramento! It was lovely! No one deserved a good freeping more than he. What a major creep!!
13 posted on 09/06/2003 11:11:51 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: driftless
It is unbelievable how wrong they have been, how wrong they are, and how wrong they will continue to be.
14 posted on 09/07/2003 8:35:07 AM PDT by samtheman
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