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To: quidnunc
I don't think anyone that reviews the period would ever describe Lincoln as a conservative. Yet the things he gets castigated for these days make as much sense as saying how evil the US is as the only nation on the face of the earth to ever use nuclear weapons. It's all utter nonsense.

Linclon had his view of "nation." He felt the US was ultimately stronger as a nation rather than unaffiliated states. He also had a vision of the US as a nation that stretched from the Atlantic to the Pacific.

I believe he also saw the "freedom" of the nation as something to extend to all citizens, although that was not his mandate when he was elected. The fact is he had no mandate when he was elected.

It's so popular these days for some conservatives to hammer Lncoln at every opportunity. What makes me curious about that is if these hammerers feel we will be a better country when the next great schism comes to pass as is the trend.

Finally, given Lincoln's vision of "Country," What could he have done differently and still bring it about. He had a Congress that seemed quite pleased to be able to blame Lincoln for all the evils in the world yet was likley collectively relieved that anyone about was willing to make some decisions about issues at all.

He had a nation, not a loggerheads, but rather, quite literally, at each others throats.

I have always thought, not that he was a conservative, but that it took a fantastic amount of character to pull it off at all. Lincoln was in a truly winless situation, yet he knew that some men must do more than just talk. I find Lincoln as good as any President and better than most.

8 posted on 09/06/2003 10:12:59 AM PDT by stevem
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To: stevem
What makes me curious about that is if these hammerers feel we will be a better country when the next great schism comes to pass as is the trend.

Given the increasing centralization of pwer in D.C., you think this is even possible?

10 posted on 09/06/2003 10:41:58 AM PDT by Eala (The government that robs Peter to pay Paul will always have the support of Paul.)
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To: stevem
It's so popular these days for some conservatives to hammer Lncoln at every opportunity. What makes me curious about that is if these hammerers feel we will be a better country when the next great schism comes to pass as is the trend.


Want to bet that these paleoconservatives are nothing more than libertarions who hate conservatism and love drugs and sexual miscreancy as much as any liberal does? Seems like this historical revisionist belongs to the blame America first and always for the sins of other nations.
518 posted on 09/14/2003 12:31:43 PM PDT by wgeorge2001 ("The truth will set you free.")
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To: stevem
Linclon had his view of "nation."

And his "view" should trump the founding fathers and the Constitution because .....?

621 posted on 09/15/2003 5:10:29 PM PDT by iconoclast
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