Missing the Point on Gays

Washington Post ^ | September 5, 2003 | Alan Simpson

[Recourse]

Missing the Point on Gays

By Alan Simpson Friday, September 5, 2003; Page A21

For several weeks now a storm has been brewing in the Senate over just how homosexuals fit into the mainstream of American life. First, an honest debate on the criminalization of gay sex in Texas somehow gave rise to baseless fears about permitting bestiality and incest. Then, after the Supreme Court's reasonable ruling in Lawrence v. Texas that the government had no business policing people in their bedrooms, a panic developed. Some worried that the decision would lead to gay marriage, thus posing a threat to the survival of the American family.

[Recourse]

Alan Simpson may be a lot of things, but a liberal he is not. He voted for Justices Scalia & Thomas. He also voted for Robert Bork. During the Persian Gulf War, Simpson came under sharp criticism for his comments disparaging CNN correspondent Peter Arnett's coverage of the U.S. bombing of Baghdad. Recalling Arnett's reportage from Vietnam in the 1960s, Simpson condemned the reporter for sympathizing with the Iraqis and demonstrating a lack of patriotism.

[weegee]

lesbians have the lowest incidence of STD(almost non-existence) and LOVE, not sex is their #1 agenda.

If they weren't receiving oral sex from lesbians there'd be a whole lot fewer lesbians (and despite what the popular culture thinks, oral sex is sex).

[kuma]

Yes, it's true their is a whole spectrum of gender identities which influences varities of sexual idendities. Now, the end goal is which gender/sexual identity will best enable a person to find a mate, reproduce THEIR OWN offspring and then stick together long enough to successfully rear that offspring? Exclusive heterosexuals even have a difficult time completing the above tasks because of how complicated we are mentally.

Unfortunately the official stance at this time regardless of anything presented otherwise is that gender & sexuality are learned for heterosexuals but somehow this does not apply to homosexuals. Biologically we reproduce heterosexually. It would only stand to reason that exclusive homosexuality is truly a (hetero)sexual malfunction. This is the first thing that must have straight forwardness applied to then we can all talk about possible biological factors. Even then they would only be a contributing factor and not the sole cause.

But let's just get to the heart of the matter. Any thorough examination is resisted simply because that group does not want to admit that being attracted to the same sex is dysfunctional biologically or mentally.

All of my jibber jabber is an opinion based upon at least some facts. Same sex marriage/adoption is feelings not facts. As with everything else leftist, I find it bothersome when the U.S.'s social and economic affairs are getting messed up because somebody, somewhere feels something. Last I checked Oprah wasn't elected as POTUS. So why is it being ran that way?

Facts may be cold. Facts may not be sensitive to people's feelings but they will get this country from point A to point B without destroying everything in it's path. This is why at this time we must hold back the tide from the left on so many matters. They simply refuse to apply logic to their reasoning.

[punster]

So, they do not reproduce. Individuals who have an intersex condition are quite often unable to reproduce. Should we also deny them equal rights because they do not produce offspring?

[american spirit]

Just wondering how a lifestyle that breeds anonymous sex with absolute strangers in filthy public restrooms, sticking their privates through a "gloryhole" for satisfaction, sex using all kinds of objects and furry critters as well as a death rate off the charts for younger males could ever be considered mainstream.........anyone who feels this is even a debatable subject is not fit for office.

[templar]

........anyone who feels this is even a debatable subject is not fit for office.

I think the majority of people would agree with you on this.

So ... how do they keeep getting elected? The 'lesser of evils' voters maybe?

[kuma]

You have successfully avoided the fact that sexual identity is learned. As someone else has already pointed out, this .1% is commonly abused by the 4-5% to distract from the real conversation. People who are genetically a variation of both genders have already in many instances had their marriages recognized by our country. However, who would argue that their lack of ability to reproduce is functional? Then again we can't go around nullifying the marriages of people who have married and then later found out they could not have children. Those two are comparable. Homosexuality is not.

By the way homosexuals already have the equal right to marry as we do. Their is no law that states that someone who is attracted to the same sex cannot legally marry someone of the opposite sex. This is usually the point where people start injecting their feelings into the conversation, but their is no logical benefit for our country to legally recognize same sex marriages. Many churches have performed same sex ceremonies but we as a country do not have to legally recognize them anymore than we need recognize the marriages of polygamists. We have already deemed those types of marriages to not be beneficial as well.

[edchambers]

You have fallen for a classic leftist slur. Interestingly enough the term homophobe popped up around say the 60's & 70's. It's called the culture war

Whatever, I'm a live and let live kind of guy at heart.Homophobe is used mostly today to describe people who have an irrational fear or hatred of homosexuals.So what would you have me do shoot em?beat em ?protest em?convert em? or maybe just rant on incessantly about how they're destroying the very fabric of civilization as we know it.This battle was lost decades ago maybe it's time to move on to the next one.

[hellinahandcart]

She always insisted that she was really a boy.

But she really was a boy. Taking off the penis didn't change his DNA or grow him a uterus.

What does that have to do with women who have perfectly normal female organs and yet insist they really are men?

That's a problem in the BRAIN.

[hellinahandcart]

lesbians have the lowest incidence of STD(almost non-existence) and LOVE, not sex is their #1 agenda.

Yeah, go Google up "Butterfly Kisses" and then get back to me.

[punster]

"That's a problem in the BRAIN."

The evidence points to hormonal programming of the brain during gestation (pregnancy). The presence of testosterone during the formation of the central nervous system (brain) tends to masculinize the brain structure.

The point is these changes in the brain structure are irreversible. Testosterone functions as a teratogen for XX fetuses.

[blue jeans]

re: I am convinced it is a serious mental disorder

IMHO: I disagree in your assessment that it's a 'disorder'. In a nutshell, I think it is simply the need for love and affection by folks who have failed to be affirmed of their gender and worth.

I'd bet a majority of the gay men out there did not have loving affirming fathers who let me know that they were special and important and loved. My guess is that most didn't and they probably were treated as 'loosers' or 'unlovely' or 'unmanly' and that stereotype led them to the self-fulfilled prophecy that they just couldn't win a woman.

As terrific as God made women, I find it almost unbelieveable that any 'properly wired' male would not attracted by the opposite sex.

Just an opinion. But rather than see folks spew their name calling, they might want to think about the folks they are impuning first.

[hellinahandcart]

You are not able to prove that the majority or even a portion of today's so-called "transgenders" even have these changes in brain structure, or that they're anything other than physically normal men and women with serious mental problems.

[WillowyDame]

Yeah, go Google up "Butterfly Kisses" and then get back to me.
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i did and i see nothing that counters what i said.

[punster]

"You are not able to prove that the majority or even a portion of today's so-called "transgenders" even have these changes in brain structure, or that they're anything other than physically normal men and women with serious mental problems."

The study published in Nature (1995) did show a difference in the brain for the transgender cadavers they were able to examine.

I did say that more research is needed, repetition of their lab work. Any research work must be repeated for verification. The biggest difficulty is securing cadavers, so that autopsy and tissue analysis can be made. That requires individuals being willing to donate their bodies to science and some method of locating and obtaining the bodies immediately after death.

[hellinahandcart]

Ah. So the aim of those particular lesbians is to "love" those little girls. They're not eaten up with sexual desire for them.

I see...

[hellinahandcart]

Well, without the evidence you're basing your premature conclusions upon, you might as well go out the rest of the way on that limb and say that ALL delusions have a physical cause, and we could prove it if we juist had enough dead brains to examine.

You're also going to have to prove that the changes were there from birth and not caused later by some other factor. That means examining the brain at birth. And if a baby doesn't grow up, it can't grow up to declare it's trapped in the wrong body.

Perhaps imaging will improve to the point where we don't need people to die befiore we can check out their brains, eh? And what will you say when it is proven that some of the most obstinate and flaming "I'm really a woman, REALLY, yoiu'd better treat me like one or I'll #@$%ing sue!" types are proven to be male, only male, nothing but male, in their brains as well as their bodies, and they only want an abnormal amount of attention?

In any case, it seems that if you are right, it's a birth defect just like any other birth defect, and should be cured prenatally instead of encouraged postnatally.

[WillowyDame]

Ah. So the aim of those particular lesbians is to "love" those little girls. They're not eaten up with sexual desire for them.

I see...
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please email me the link of what you ar talking about!
i have never heard of lesbians suddenly becoming like some men and having sexual interests on little kids.
that is wacked!! pls, send me the link.

[hellinahandcart]

i have never heard of lesbians suddenly becoming like some men and having sexual interests on little kids.

I suppose you never heard of Paula Poundstone either, or that lesbian couple who kept the one woman's three boys locked in a closet and beat them and made them drink urine. This while they spoiled and cosseted her girl child.

Don't kid yourself that women are any better than men. It may have been true once, or it may not have been, but when women decide to go bad they are as bad as or worse than any man out there.

I am saying this as a woman, btw.

I will try to find that disgusting link for you. Can't believe it didn't come up on a google search.

[Vets_Husband_and_Wife]

I heard we had someone doing this. How childish.