Posted on 09/05/2003 12:02:12 PM PDT by 45Auto
Truer firearms words have never been spoken! This bears repeating over and over again.
"From the standpoint of effective concealment, the less butt there is, the better."
Well, you know, I like big butts and I cannot lie...sorry, I couldn't help myself.
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
Then I found a C6 and it just....fit. My best friend swears by his....so I gave it a look and it was just...."right." If that makes any sense. It fit me like I would imagine Excalibur fit the boy king. But I couldn't make the numbers work on the deal and since I'm but a lowly high school teacher, couldn't come up with more cash. So, I will keep my Glock M30, and save up for a new C6.
It's smaller and lighter than my Glock .45 and should be easier to conceal. That is especially vital for me in this very warm and humid area. I also believe it will accept the Colt Officer's Model magazines, just as the others will accept full sized Colt and variant mags.
I used to feel that way. But in a sense, the Glock is DAO. Also, in my neck of the woods, although Florida should be considered a gun friendly state for CCW holders; SOUTH Florida, especially Miami Dade and Broward counties are still bastions of anti-gun and anti-gunowner liberalism. That means very unfriendly prosecutor types.
A member of my gun club is a judge on the circuit court. He told us that one way to help any case involving a CCW holder killing a bad guy is to use DAO because the local prosecutors are going to show twelve people of ordinary stupidity the trigger pull on your SA Colt/Para/Springfield Armory and they're ALL going to be terribly surprised at how "EASY" that trigger is to pull...and maybe this guy is a trigger happy "macho man" (remember the majority demographic in my area) or maybe this guy didn't actually "mean" for that thing to go "bang" which is the manslaughter conviction.
I had to think about that long and hard and came to the conclusion that I had to do everything I could before the fact, to make any "after the fact" problems to be minimal. So for now, until I can save enough to buy a ParaOrdnance C6 LDA, I'll carry only one of my Glocks.
Hard to rack the slide by accident, and practiced, can be done reasonably quickly.
Yours is a good comment, BTW. Best to think about all of the ramifications, including legal ones, before threatening or using deadly force.
~GULP~ I would consider condition 3 ONLY if the gun was in storage in my home and say I needed one of my rifles due to multiple simultaneous entries by a home invasion gang...such as has been seen elsewhere in this country in recent years. But condition 3 on the street? NEVER.
I train in my IDPA club to draw from the ground or while holding a baby doll in one arm or while carrying a bag of groceries, or while retreating on the run backwards....you think of any situation where getting jumped at the worst possible moment could happen and we train for it.
To add condition 3 on top of all that would be to tip the scales of victory to the enemy in a significant way. I have heard that many Israeli forces carry in condition 3, but not those Israeli citizens do so. Witness the shooting last year in the supermarket of a suicide bomber by an israeli citizen who was "miracously transformed" into "Israeli Forces" by the foreign and especially the US media.
That woman shopper observed a Palestinian man in her grocery market in the middle of July wearing a floor length leather coat. She watched as he positioned himself near a busy intersection inside the packed market. When he opened his coat to reveal the explosives and detonator mechanism strapped to his pewrson...she acted.
She reached inside her purse, drew a 9mm handgun and smoothly put three rounds right into his cranial vault, thus instantly turning off his lights. She didn't have time to rack any slides, neither will most private citizens.
The predators we are likely to face (either criminal or terrorist) will strike at a time of their choosing and at a place where the circumstances most heavily favor the success of their attack. The best we can hope for is to be alert to the scenes taking place in a 360 preimeter around us at all times and be ready to assess, decide, and act decisively in the shortest possible period of time. One must live in a state of constant "Condition Yellow" and be able to transition smoothly into Condition Orange and finally to Condition Red (which means "slapping leather") and sending rounds into targets.
But Condition YELLOW must become a way of life as natural as breathing and as enduring. Jeff Cooper was the one who invented these "grades of alarm" and although he began with condition "white" as the level of total unawareness. I myself teach that as condition "green." Similar to a traffic light, green means to most folks "GO!" In either case they mean the same thing: Totally unaware. As Jeff Cooper says: "In the lowest level of awareness, white (green) it is pathetically easy to "take" someone. But if the subject is in "yellow" it suddenly becomes a completely different and much more dangerous proposition altogether.
But, for some people, and under many circumstances, condition 3 on the street is better than "condition nothing."
It's not my preference, but it IS a valid option.
Let's for a moment distinguish the term "my students" and clarify them as those to whom I act as NRA Firearms instructor as opposed to the students I teach in my professional capacity as high school social studies teacher. THOSE kids I'm just trying to see the light of day that there is a Constitutional guarantee to the right of self defense and to other civil liberties that cannot be revoked by the US Government on a mere whim. I'm also trying to reverse the demonization of the party of limited government which is NOT the party most of my students have been raised to actually worship as god....there in the depths of the inner city.
...further muddying the ongoing 9mm vs. 45acp debate. Sounds like a nice group on a very worthy target though. 8^)
I disagree. THAT particular shot would make even a measly 22 or even a 25 dead (so to speak) effective. A shot to the upper torso is where that debate gets hot. I sometimes carry my Beretta M92 9mm, but I consciously attain the mindset before I even walk out the door, that I'm going to have to take head shots to be instantly effective. I don't do this when I carry any of my .45's or even my Glock M27 in .40.
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