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To: Sir Gawain
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." (Thomas Jefferson)

Why is it that liberals think that Jefferson's "seperation of church and state" writings (taken out of context,BTW) are the absolute LAST word in religious vs. government matters yet his writings on the 2A mean nothing?
15 posted on 09/05/2003 8:32:23 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Why is it...?

Because none of those words mean absolutely anything to them. Their anti-american, self pepetuating, socialist/marxist agenda is all that matters and they will use our words, the founders words, or anyone else's if they can get the useful idiots to continue to support them.

It is the nature of the beast we are fighting. There is no negotiatiog or compromise with them (you can't compromies on unalienable rights anyway...or you immediately give them up) just as there is none with the Islamofascists who want to kill us.

These people want to control us...and ultimately will kill any that they cannot.

Jeff

22 posted on 09/05/2003 8:47:40 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Blood of Tyrants; Sir Gawain; Joe Brower; Squantos; coloradan; Eaker; Colt .45; Mulder; Noumenon
I did extensive research on that apocryphal Jefferson quote, and it's a phony. There is some stuff close to it, but that is not a real quote.
26 posted on 09/05/2003 9:00:38 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Very good point, BT! It's sickening that the political leadership in our nation can select which of our Founding Father's words best support their agenda and leave the reast of it to lie.
34 posted on 09/05/2003 9:29:49 AM PDT by AZ Flyboy (Keep on FReep'n...God Bless the USA!!!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." (Thomas Jefferson) Why is it that liberals think that Jefferson's "seperation of church and state" writings (taken out of context,BTW) are the absolute LAST word in religious vs. government matters yet his writings on the 2A mean nothing?

Perhaps because this particular one, he didn't say, or at least no one can find when he said or wrote it, and there are some pretty complete books of his writings and speaches out there. This one is sometime seen with a citation, but the citation is a mangled one, a version of one such collection, but with the editor wrong, and the title mangled.. and what's worse, the quotation is not to be found there.. I looked personally, took a 1/2 day of vaction to do it too.

However your basic point is well taken. Jefferson did have lots to say about keeping and bearing arms. All of it pro arms rights and pro shooting sports as well. He also penned that little ditty about the blood of tyrants and patriots.

64 posted on 09/05/2003 10:27:09 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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