SCIENTOLOGY: NO RIGHTS, PLEASE

pagesix ^ | 09/04/03 | P6

[Pikamax]

TOM Cruise, John Travolta, Lisa Marie Presley, Kirstie Alley, Juliette Lewis and other Scientologists may have signed away many of the rights that most Americans take for granted. As they move up into the higher levels of the Church of Scientology, members sign documents giving up their right to psychiatric care and to see their families.

[callmemrpurpose]

"Oh, but this is a good use of my time. I've seen you lads in operation. Every time a hitherto uninformed person checks out www.xenu.net, that's one more worthwhile thing I've done with my life, and one more who won't get fleeced by your merry band of sharks."

Think what you want. I'm a nice guy.

[Liberal Classic]

Read the authorized online version of Bare-Faced Messiah, The True Story Of L. Ron Hubbard.

[js1138]

I thought this site was edged towards "conservatism" but I have been disabused of that notion.

Exactly what part of conservatism involves being stupid?

[TomB]

Who knows. But if I had half a bain I might say it's because it's "COPYWRITED MATERIAL" like you said.

Perhaps if you had the other half of your brain you would want to know.

Since I couldn't say it better myself, I'll just repost what Heyworth said:

"You miss the point. If it's false, a forgery, a slander upon Scientology, why does Scientology claim to have the copyright? By claiming copyright, they are claiming authorship."

You are saying the Xenu story is not true, yet Scientology admits it is true when the claim copywrite.

They did everything they could to keep that nutty story from seeing the light of day, but by suing those people, the documents they sought to protect were entered into the court files, and when those files were unsealed, EVERYBODY could know about Xenu. And the scam is unveiled.

[TomB]

Exactly what part of conservatism involves being stupid?

HEY! Let's leave Pat Buchanan out of this!

;-)

[js1138]

You cannot sign away your rights.

That's what "unalienable" means.

[TomB]

I couldn't believe it the first time I saw the actual "E-meter," which looks like a prop from a B-movie.

Um, that's because it IS essentially a prop from a B-movie. Just make sure you take the labels off the tin cans before you hook them up.

As I said earlier it is literally NOTHING but a wheatstone bridge circuit, used for measuring resistance. Of course, the meter doesn't really measure anything as it can be influenced by a myriad of factors, i.e. a "floating needle", which is supposed to signify the end of an auditing session, can be accomplished by just squeezing on the cans.

More information on these $4000 marvels of science can be found here:

Secrets of Scientology: The E-Meter

[balrog666]

You never ran into these guys before?

Not personally. Certainly I've heard enough about them over the years as they've been much more litigiously aggressive than the Moonies or the Hari Krishnas and the like. But they don't seem to go after us old folks with established patterns of critical thinking and applied skepticism. As with most cults, they want the young, gullible, and the stupid (and rich doesn't hurt).

It was the clam part that I thought was hilarious. I may have heard it before, but like the spaceships, volcanoes, and Beano-Xenu, or like those castratos with the sneakers and the Snickers, it's the trivial but bizarre details that I tend to forget over the years.

[TomB]

Sorry, meant to ping you all to post 88.

[BossLady]

"A subsequent Electropsychometer audit by his personal physician revealed an alarmingly low tone"

He finally realized he was gay....LOL

[callmemrpurpose]

You've got a point. But that is just another way of turning attention away from that fact that the church is having illegal things done to it. So what if it is true. That doesn't change a thing, it's still illegal.

I don't nescessarily believe it but I haven't done OT 3 and respect that they hold it confidential.

[Right Wing Professor]

He finally realized he was gay....LOL

If an E-meter could tell you someone was gay, Nicole would have been divorced a heck of a lot sooner. :-)

[Jeff Gordon]

So? What is the problem?

Just remember, there is a chair for every ass in America.

[Pan_Yans Wife]

I don't nescessarily believe it but I haven't done OT 3 and respect that they hold it confidential.

I cannot help but contrast this blind faith that you have in the COS with the liberals always wanting to "protect" the little people, with a big government, that can handle things for them, and expose things to the sheeple, only when necessary. The government is supposed to "shelter the people", right?

Don't you see limited government as a conservative principle? But you are willing to allow broad-sweeping powers within the religion that you are affiliated with?

You are posting on a conservative forum, aren't you?

[Stew Padasso]

Send in Reno and the tanks. We have a dangerous cult here.

[Constantine XIII]

Har! Seriously, though, $cientology is irksome to anyone who is fond of things like critical thinking, freedom, or non-crappy science fiction.

It's sort of like Islam for the wealthy yuppie as far as its effect on people, though with Hubbard as the Prophet instead of Muhammed. They don't intend to kill all the infidels until AFTER they rule the world, though. :p

To be frank, the religion of $$$ is probably much more upsetting for an athiest than for any of us Christians. Imagine letting Carl Sagan loose on em!

[Constantine XIII]

If a chuch is defined as the Body of Christ, then why the heck do they call themselves a church if they deny the divinity of Christ? I never did get how they get away with that. I suppose they think it lends a patina of credibilty.

< /scratches head>

[Pan_Yans Wife]

They aren't the only sect that uses the word "church" when it doesn't apply to them. I think it is supposed to lend an air of credibility.

[searchandrecovery]

I was in Scientology for a couple of years in the 70's. On staff even. Got out. What got me out was that the Hubster defined scientology as "The science of knowing how to know" - and yet, he just pulled this sh-t right out of his ass. There is NO science involved at all.

The stuff that pulls people in is the low level stuff, which is actually kind of useful, imho. But the upper levels are sci-fi. A useful usenet newsgroup is alt.religion.scientology.

Very expensive. Very flawed. Hubbard was an insane genius. My summation of scientology - a fool and his money are soon parted.