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Japan, China, SKorea to jointly develop Windows replacement (buh-buh Miker$oft in Asia?)
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Posted on 09/02/2003 8:45:07 PM PDT by Happy2BMe

Japan, China, SKorea to jointly develop Windows replacement
Sat Aug 30,10:29 PM ET

TOKYO (AFP) - Japan, China and South Korea (news - web sites) plan to develop an original operating system in a bid to challenge the domination of Microsoft Corp.'s Windows, news reports said.

Trade and Industry Minister Takeo Hiranuma is to propose the plan when he meets his Chinese and South Korean counterparts in Phnom Penh on Wednesday on the sidelines of the ASEAN trade ministers' meeting, the Nihon Keizai Shimbun and the Asahi Shimbun said Sunday, quoting sources.

The three countries are expected to reach an accord in mid-September, when senior trade ministry officials are to hold another meeting, Asahi said, and to establish a joint private-.

The accord would be the first signed by major economies, the two dailies said.

Under the expected tie-up, the partners are expected to improve open-source operating system, like Linux (news - web sites).

The three countries are to set up a joint private-sector promotion committee in mid-November, to include Japanese businesses such as NTT Data Corp., Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., NEC Corp., Hitachi Ltd. and Fujitsu Ltd.

The project is part of combined efforts to reduce heavy reliance on Microsoft's operating system, which they say has oppressed their business strength in the computer software industry.

Japan, China and South Korea have also noted the risk of overconcentration of a single software product, they said.

Computer viruses targeting Windows' defects have been rapidly proliferating, awakening global industry officials to the importance of reviewing reliance on Microsoft's operating software.

To develop a Windows replacement, the partners will make improvements to Linux or other open-source programs, using their basic designs, and develop their own unique application software programs, including those for word processing and spreadsheets.

The governments of the three countries will consider subsidising the project. If a new operating system is developed via the scheme, the three governments are expected to use it in some of their computer systems, they said.




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Well, this is hugh!

(Looked, but didn't see it posted yet.)

Japan, China and South Korea plan to develop an operating system to challenge the domination of Microsoft Corps' Windows(AFP/File)
Sat Aug 30,10:29 PM ET

Japan, China and South Korea (news - web sites) plan to develop an operating system to challenge the domination of Microsoft Corps' Windows(AFP/File)

1 posted on 09/02/2003 8:45:08 PM PDT by Happy2BMe
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To: Bush2000; Dominic Harr
It was only a matter of time before this challenge happened...
2 posted on 09/02/2003 8:48:15 PM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Happy2BMe
The governments of the three countries will consider subsidising the project

Oh yeah, that's sure to work out well.

3 posted on 09/02/2003 8:49:41 PM PDT by thtr
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To: Happy2BMe
I bet it'll also have a command line interface with a set of intelligent, intelligible commands and functions, and that it won't have the impenetrable, annoying visual tree structure to everything, which tree structure doesn't distinguish among menues, file systems and startup tasks.
There, I said it!
4 posted on 09/02/2003 8:51:21 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Go ahead, make my day and re-state the obvious! Again!)
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To: Revolting cat!
How many places can we hide startup programs already?!

How many places can we hide different configuration information for different users?!

5 posted on 09/02/2003 8:57:44 PM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
If Asia pulls it off (and they will), the new Asian operating system will become a hugh economic and political catalyst for them - propelling them into their own IT revolution.

Asians know how to read, write, and program in English.

Westerners haven't got a clue what they are (or would be) looking at once the new Asian OS takes off.

Hmmm... would M$ get more or fewer hacker/trojan/virus attacks with a Billion and a half fewer users?

6 posted on 09/02/2003 8:58:14 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (LIBERTY has arrived in Iraq - Now we can concentrate on HOLLYWEED!)
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To: Happy2BMe
Gee, you mean they weren't scared off by SCO?
7 posted on 09/02/2003 8:58:24 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: Happy2BMe
This of course will result in lawsuits from Microsoft for at least 2 decades as these countries will steal huge chunks of code to accomplish this. They probably decided to do this after they realized that their corporate spies were now able to steal code from Microsoft before it was packaged into a product or copyrighted. However, if they can come up with a better product (through legitimate means)then good for them.
8 posted on 09/02/2003 9:00:38 PM PDT by Sunnyvale CA Eng.
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To: Revolting cat!
"I bet it'll also have a command line interface . .

Yeah, that PLUS addictive winders!

Asians love "point-and-click" and will never go back to command line (and you know it). . hehe...

Don't forget, the most powerful skill in Asia is duplication of products that appeal to the masses.

Wonder, will their OS have English text support built in?

9 posted on 09/02/2003 9:01:43 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (LIBERTY has arrived in Iraq - Now we can concentrate on HOLLYWEED!)
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To: Sunnyvale CA Eng.
"This of course will result in lawsuits from Microsoft for at least 2 decades as these countries will steal huge chunks of code to accomplish this."

Nope - Miker$of is already in position to give the source code away in Asia.

Not just that, but M$ just made a hugh deal with Tiawan to sell a WinXP Home and OfficXP bundle for $49 a pop!

What do the Asians know that we don't?

10 posted on 09/02/2003 9:04:22 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (LIBERTY has arrived in Iraq - Now we can concentrate on HOLLYWEED!)
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To: Happy2BMe
MicroSoft has its own amatuerish architectural design to blame for this sort of new, global, subsidized competition sprouting up.

That said, however, Asia will probably screw the pooch and get it all wrong. A new OS that doesn't run most existing business software will probably die on the vine.

Businesses already have large amounts of existing code. A new OS would need to flawlessly run most of that existing code to pose a viable threat to MicroSoft.

For instance, if a company convinced IBM to license its final/last set of OS/2 components (essentially Windows 95), a new OS could be quickly and inexpensively written that would run some 80% of existing MicroSoft compatble software.

Now throw in IBM's or a Baby Bell's UNIX/Linux rights into that same OS and you've got even more global compatibility.

Heck, if you are going that route, might as well license AS/400 and include it into the mix.

Anyway, after China got a look at the MS Windows source code, building a new competing OS shouldn't really surprise anyone...

11 posted on 09/02/2003 9:07:42 PM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Happy2BMe
Develop? Why not steal it. Thats what They do anyway. They can not come up with anything on there own. They steal everything. I remember going too machine shows and seeing these guys with cameras takin pictures of machines. The next year they would have a cheaper version.
12 posted on 09/02/2003 9:09:58 PM PDT by Brimack34 (I just fell off a turnip truck.)
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To: Happy2BMe
Great!

Now those South Korean hackers who are brought up on Asiandows won't be so gung-ho about hacking MS.
13 posted on 09/02/2003 9:11:52 PM PDT by Bogey78O (The Clinton's have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured/killed -Peach)
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To: Southack
"Anyway, after China got a look at the MS Windows source code, building a new competing OS shouldn't really surprise anyone..."

Babel will replace Google in the AsiaOS.

Just how excluded will Westerners be from using it?

The more exclusive the OS is to Westerners, the more popular it may become with Asians?

14 posted on 09/02/2003 9:12:27 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (LIBERTY has arrived in Iraq - Now we can concentrate on HOLLYWEED!)
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To: Happy2BMe; Lazamataz; Nick Danger
The next generation OS should essentially be a Browser, anyway.

What we do...we do online. 'Tis the global way of the future based upon trailblazing American experience here first.

Yes, you should have Babelfish and Google input boxes on your task bar. The OS should seemlessly tie in POP3 access to whatever new software you care to develop on it, too.

The OS should scroll breaking news and stock prices just above the task bar.

The OS should allow you to divide and share your programs and CPU cycles with other business partners/friends who are likewise online.

And ideally, the OS should be tiny...just large enough to get online and download a full OS session much like running the MSDOS command prompt lets you do under Windows today...such that you could pick AS/400, MVS, Unix, Linux, Windows, whatever you needed (each in separate processes/windows).

15 posted on 09/02/2003 9:23:54 PM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Happy2BMe
Didn't Japan already try this about 10 years ago or so, pour multi millions or billions into the project and come up totally dry?

16 posted on 09/02/2003 9:41:54 PM PDT by John Valentine (In Seoul, and keeping one eye on the hills to the North...)
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To: John Valentine
Didn't Japan already try this about 10 years ago or so, pour multi millions or billions into the project and come up totally dry?

Yeah, the "Fifth Generation" computer project. Government investment is a piss-poor substitute for private capital markets - they might as well have taken that money and flushed it directly down the toilet for all it got them. Now throw in the additional forces of nationalism among the developer countries in this project, take the usual fate of software designed by committee into account, recognize the fact that there's a good chance that someone will decide that reworking Linux isn't good enough so they'd really prefer to do it all from the ground up...

The main thing is how ambitious they get - MITI had absurdly unrealistic goals for the Fifth Generation project, and wound up with doorstops instead. If they stick to a plan of a relatively minor reworking of Linux, they're likely to come up with something decent. I'll bet that they won't, and they'll decide to reinvent the wheel in some fit of pan-Asian pride. In which case, it'll either never see the light of day, or it'll blow chunks, making everyone wish it never saw the light of day.

17 posted on 09/02/2003 10:05:50 PM PDT by general_re (Today is a day for firm decisions! Or is it?)
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To: Sunnyvale CA Eng.
This of course will result in lawsuits from Microsoft for at least 2 decades as these countries will steal huge chunks of code to accomplish this.

Why would they want to steal from something as non secure as Windows? I'm guessing it will be 1000 times more secure as they look at the code for windows and laugh their asses off. I mean, how many buffer overflows does it take for M$ to fix a fundamental problem. I bet the Asian version will see a lot fewer buffer overflows.

18 posted on 09/02/2003 10:08:57 PM PDT by SengirV
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To: Southack
The next generation OS should essentially be a Browser, anyway. [...] The OS should allow you to divide and share your programs and CPU cycles with other business partners/friends who are likewise online. [...] And ideally, the OS should be tiny...just large enough to get online and download a full OS session much like running the MSDOS command prompt lets you do under Windows today...such that you could pick AS/400, MVS, Unix, Linux, Windows, whatever you needed (each in separate processes/windows).

No more Jolt cola for you! You're describing "Shimmer", the better operating system through chemistry. First you say the OS should be a browser (I assume you mean the OS's UI). Then you say this OS should allow you to delve out cycles to others, which would require a large multiuser networking component. Finally, you decide that the OS should just be something like a tiny "boot from netcard" BIOS - a BIOS that supports multiple processes and includes a windowing system. Where does this multiprocess code (API, disk DDI, disk API, process APIs, etc.) come from? Where does the windowing system (graphics API, DDI, and drivers, etc.) come from? You'll need an OS just to do those tasks, before you start piling on the other operating systems!

19 posted on 09/02/2003 10:14:37 PM PDT by mikegi
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To: SengirV
... as they look at the code for windows and laugh their asses off.

Have you seen the Windows source code? Have you written an operating system?

20 posted on 09/02/2003 10:18:12 PM PDT by mikegi
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