[Sir Charles]

***People naturally choose Barrabas. Is anyone surprised by this?***

Yes, I am, if it's true, which I doubt. This is just another way of stating that people are naturally immoral. There may be many immoral people, but they are not so naturally.

[abigail2]

Thank you and I agree with you, thus our unhappiness and conflict.

[mc5cents]

Yes, I am, if it's true, which I doubt. This is just another way of stating that people are naturally immoral. There may be many immoral people, but they are not so naturally.

Then you don't believe in Original Sin? You don't believe that we need God's grace to pull us toward Him and away from evil? That we will "naturally" go that way?

Do you know what man's natural concupiscence is?

No, I don't believe that man is naturally moral or inmoral. I believe that he needs God's help every day to bring himself to morality and away from the inmorality that fills the world.

[rdb3]

This is just another way of stating that people are naturally immoral. There may be many immoral people, but they are not so naturally.

WRONG!

"And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually."
--Genesis 6:5

"Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one"
--Job 14:4

"There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness."
--Proverbs 30:12

"Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me."
--Psalms 51:5

"The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies."
--Psalms 58:3

"But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away."
--Isaiah 64:6

"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one."
--Romans 3:10-12

There are many other verses on this subject. Man is born evil.