McClintock Key to Democratic Victory in California

Intellectual Conservative.com ^ | 9/2/3 | Bob Chandra

[Jeff Gordon]

So you sound really stupid calling us RINOs.

Calling any Freeper a RINO is childish and immature in my opinion. I sometimes wonder if FR is recruiting from the third grade playground.

Kid1: You're a RINO.
Kid2: Oh Yeah? Well you're the RINO.
Kid3: You are both RINOs.
Teacher: Come on kids. Recess is over.

[A Broken Glass Republican]

Medved is HAMMERING reality into the "RINO" screamer.

LOL!!

[sruleoflaw]

I'll lecture you if I want. I don't appreciate your term "clueless dorks" from one of the gang that can't shoot straight.

You don't seem troubled by your friends' error in the least or apologetic? You seem to have liberal tendencies; maybe Michael Savage needs to help you.

[FairOpinion]

"The half voting for Arnold are RINO's, liberal disruptors and delusional Republicans setting aside their principles to support Arnold the liberal."

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Just as the conservative Orange County Lions Club are a bunch of RINO-s, right?

[Poohbah]

Personally, I think the administrator should pay attention to your term "clueless dorks". Sounds like a personal attack to me.

McClintock supporters don't have any standing to complain about "personal attack," since that has been their MO from Day One of the campaign.

[fieldmarshaldj]

"I haven't seen "Ah-nold" supporters flaming McClintockites as heretics."

Then apparently you aren't reading this thread.

"If I were Tom McClintock, I'd register on FR just to tell my alleged supporters to quit screaming at the people I want to vote for me."

I'm just bugging the trolls and the Roman Polanski Republicans. ;-)

"The McClintockites started in with their "We are pure conservatives, you heathen scum," and then wondered why nobody liked being told that."

We are real Republicans. Ah-nold is not. Truth hurts, most especially to liberal 'Rats and liberal RINOs.

[sruleoflaw]

Another smart-aleck remark from the team that can't get their facts right.

[dwills]

religious wackjobs . . .

can't win with 'em, can't win without 'em

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Republicans can't win without us.

Be very scared, because the GOP is about to learn something extremely critical here, which will shake up electoral politics in a lot of places. The GOP can win without you, and the louder you are, the sweeter it is going to be - because that means that y'all won't get to wield the sort of influence you had in the past, and will sit there rampaging about how nobody listens to you or takes you seriously anymore.

The delicious part will be that you folks will have done it to yourselves, with no prodding from us.

[fieldmarshaldj]

Pot, kettle, black, Ceej. ;-)

[FairOpinion]

"No I'm pretty sure that the Tommy McC supporters are the ones with a direct channel to God."

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This reminds me of an old joke.

Paraphrased: What is the difference between God and McClintock?

God doesn't think He is McClintock ( but McClintock thinks he is God)

[KellyAdmirer]

Please help me understand your point in saying that two major GOP candidates running for one office does not matter.

Ok, let me give it a shot.

There are two candidates on the right, but they draw from vastly different pools of voters.

Arnold draws from moderate Republicans and people on both sides of "moderate." These voters are not True Believer conservatives who have as their credo "my way or the highway." In other words, Arnold is drawing from a very large pool of voters who have varying degrees of moderate, conservative and, yes, even some liberal positions on some things. Since they tend to be toward the center, they can find things to like in major candidates who have some positions that they may not totally agree with because, well, they don't demand any straight-line adherence to positions. As Ed Koch liked to say, "If you agree with me on 7 of 11 issues, vote for me. If you agree with me on 11 of 11 issues, you need to get some analysis."

They are willing to compromise on a few things in order to elect the best candidate.

Mr. McClintock, on the other hand, is drawing from a completely different and vastly smaller pool of voters. They look for down-the-line conservative positions in a candidate. Many on here have said that not only will they sit out this election if their candidate is not ahead, they actually will, in effect, vote for the worst possible candidate to make their point and perhaps have their views prevail at some distant time in the future. This suggests many McClintock voters are not in Arnold's pool of available voters in any event - they would just stay home or in effect vote Democrat as a perverse way to "make a statement." Arnold might get a small fraction of them - but not enough to matter except in an extremely tight race, which I do not foresee.

Arnold draws from the left, center and right. He has a much broader cross-section of the population who might be willing to vote for him as long as he keeps his nose clean. He will attract Democrats from Wilson/Bustamante like a magnet - some, not all, but enough. This was exactly how Reagan built his coalitions. Democrats are in the majority in California - have you noticed? He can afford McClintock bleeding off the uncompromising conservative voters because McClintock's scary presence makes Arnold look that much more safe and appealing to the hordes of people in the vast middle - particularly the Democrats who hate hard-line conservatives but can stomach moderate Republicans, especially if they cause the hard-liners grief.

So, I think it nets out not just even for Arnold if McClintock stays in the race, but actually a net positive, though it could go either way (but not by much). I don't care if McClintock draws 10% of the vote (and I doubt he will). Arnold will get that 10% and maybe even more from centrist voters who are scared of fringe candidates from both the left AND the right.

I doubt any McClintock True Believers will buy this reasoning, and that is ok. But McClintock is not splitting any kind of monolithic Right vote because that simply does not exist in California.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

When a candidate gets all his votes from the independents and democrats, and leaves his GOP party base in the dust, that's not a win for the GOP.

[FairOpinion]

"the second debate which Arnold has agreed to attend is the only one where the questions are given to the candidates beforehand. "
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So? Arnold is smart enough to know that they are all planning to gang up on him.

Haven't you heard the reporters's questions at White House briefings?

[alwaysconservative]

Vito Marcantonio started as a Republican, but spent most of his political career representing the American Labor Party (a communist front), and remained there when he was investigated by the FBI for his activities. By contrast, Arnold has been an outspoken Republican since he set foot on American soil as a legal immigrant, and has never wavered. Is digging up a partial story from over 60 years ago really the best you can do in your search for evil RINOs?

[ApesForEvolution]

Yay! The 'satan rules' and 'feed the Christians to the lions' wing of the GOP raises its ugly head yet again!

[TatieBug]

Please people McClintock = Bustamytaxes just like Perot = Clinton! Just can't imagine CA is going to be this crazy again. We've worked to hard on the recall to throw it away to someone who could be even worse. I sent this article to my entire CA address book and hope others do the same. John & Ken rock!

[Cultural Jihad]

Feeeeeeeel goooooooood about oneself is all it's about, apparently. Holy Litterbox, Batman! That's how liberals are motivated.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

The man can't form an opinion without his handlers' input. He cannot speak authoritatively on ANY issue facing California because he does not understand the problems or necessary solutions. You can spin this all you like but the man is not prepared or qualified to be governor. That is why they do not leave him unscripted.

[dwills]

btw, reagan was an ex-dem, hollywood republican who knew how to appeal to moderates