Posted on 09/02/2003 12:11:53 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
MEChA is a blatantly racist organization with a seditious goal, and I'm glad to see its existence is now becoming known to a larger audience. Why you are so interested in heading off discussion of MEChA is a separate issue, and not especially interesting. Fellow travellers aren't that uncommon.
tsk, tsk. A sneak attack! lol! I'm impressed, hchcutch, you're swinging back! But did you decide to abandon your policy of a few days ago:
One, if you have a beef with me, have the GUTS to ping me out of courtesy
Lol! Maybe if you round up your posse you can replay the "moral indignation" game again. You know, the one where you hombres dish out some insults and then get indignant when they're served back to you? It's always a fun one, better than cartoons I'm sure.
I wouldn't say that all MEChA members can be so classified or would I make Cruz guilty for a 30 year old association. BUT, the fact he won't denounce some of the more radical statements is curious. From my view when one of the stated objectives is to reject assimiliation and when I look around and see the parallel culture that this country is allowing to develop (eg everything from the bank to the classroom to the voting booth in Spanish) I begin to wonder if they are in fact accomplishing something.
The motto of MEChA is Por la Raza todo, fuera de la Raza nada. "For the Race everything, outside the Race nothing." They don't hide it, it's their organizing principle. And they have goals for their "race". It's Mexican reconquest of the territory lost in the Mexican American War.
If people want to excuse MEChA because it's founded upon latino racism and not white racism, then they should say so. But they shouldn't blind themselves to what this organization is all about. It's racial, political, and has a seditious plan for "liberating Aztlan", the "A" in MEChA, which at least for a few more years happens to be the southwestern United States. It may happen that the massive demographic changes due to illegal immigration will effect MEChA's goals, it's surely what has been happening in southern California.
Germans dismissed a small, racist political organization with grand territorial plans some 80 years ago, and that turned out badly. There's no good reason to see if this latest racial separatist movement is going to be even a pale imitation of that disaster. And Californians have been badly served by a political class too craven to deal with the problem.
This thread isn't about discussion. See title. It's right up your alley. So far we at FR have uncovered that he's gay and belonged to a college club thirty years ago. Feel proud? The guy's record is horrid. Beat him over the head with it. This vanity was posted by a guy who gets furious when he hears people speak in a foriegn language. You know that because you LOL together whenever one of you bust a good parasite or cockroach joke. Keep fighting the good fight, Pelham. You're probably a hero to the literate liberal lurkers.
And just for the record,
You know that because you LOL together whenever one of you bust a good parasite or cockroach joke
may reveal a lot about your character, it isn't reflective of my behavior at all. It's just the slander that has become your trademark. But it does provide a bit of nostalgia, you remind me of some of the talentless leftists I used to debate.
Having said this, I do believe Bustamante should address it. Last night I posted this on another thread, it says he won't denounce MEChA. And the tone only tells me there is more to it than not. (From Aztlan)
Really? I'm voting for Arnold because he can win.
Let me guess, you're a Go Tom Go guy? The liberals loved you in the past and still do.
Keep it up and Cruz will be in charge here.
you remind me of some of the talentless leftists I used to debate.
Debate? You entered name calling and tossing ad hominem crap and you still are.
Your Agenda is shrinking and you're just screaming louder, Paleoham.
If I'm wrong about you and Joe, I apologize. Now retract that slander slander. Post proof, Debate King. ;)
Thirty years ago the Brown Berets were active, a sort of latino version of the Black Power movement. I even recall a riot in East LA organized by some latino race groups. I don't know that it got much coverage outside of LA, it was eclipsed by antiwar demonstrations of the time and other such events. I was in high school in SoCal in the late 60s when I first ran across MEChA style conciousness, although I don't know that MEChA itself was involved. Certainly the ideas of revolutionary Mexican racial activism and resentment against the United States were around.
There are plenty of outlets for Mexican American culture, but MEChA is different. It's based on identity politics, with a racial and political grievance against the United States and its non-latino majority. It's not simply social and cultural. It may or may not be dangerous. It certainly has the seeds of discord in its founding principles.
I'm not angry, you are because the US didn't support Pat. You carry the torch like a good trooper, though.
I first ran into a few years ago in Atlanta while listening to a group of primarily illegal immigrants from Mexico. A friend, from El Salvador, explained to me that it was regularly and widely discussed among those from Mexico. They were not dangerous, it was mostly propoganda. What concerns me is the rising parallel culture that helps meeting their objective of non-assimilation. Is there a phrase more often used then the melting pot, a concept they reject. Given the population and size of the California economy, I think it's in every citizen's interest to know where Bustamante stands.
So it's okay to be a Communist and support the overthrow of the US Constitution and government as long as you're from Mexico like Bustamante is? How can you possibly support this man? If you really want to live in Mexico --- Move there. You might love living there.
That's just it --- there was never a good excuse to join MEChA unless you were filled with hate and rage. The first I knew about these groups was from a guy from New Mexico who told me how dangerous these groups are -- he said when he went to college his father warned him not to get anywhere near these groups and if he did, his father would show up and drag him out of college and put him to work --- the father was a poor but patriotic American hispanic. Many hispanics didn't join these race groups for just that same reason. Just like many whites don't join white supremacy groups.
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