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To: an amused spectator
The minute the RIAA supports the idea that I can turn in my copies of vinyl and cassette for CDs...

So when you buy a copy of a book, the publisher also has to supply free copies in any other medium you wish? Why?

or that I can copy my DVDs for backup purposes...

When you buy other products do you get a free copy thrown in with the deal? Like, 2 coffee makers, in case the first one breaks down? DVD's and CD's are among the most durable products you can purchase; why do you need a backup?

14 posted on 09/02/2003 1:09:17 PM PDT by Jack Wilson
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To: Jack Wilson
DVD's and CD's are among the most durable products you can purchase; why do you need a backup?

Your mind is made up. You're not debating - anyone could answer the question you posed. You shilling for money or for free?

15 posted on 09/02/2003 8:03:04 PM PDT by an amused spectator
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To: Jack Wilson
why do you need a backup?

Quite frankly, that's none of your business - using the same logic, why do you need a backup of a cassette or a book or a magazine or a videotape?

The "why" is immaterial.

You want to debate the logic of actually getting it, fine. But when you get into challenging the "why", you begin treading on an individuals sovreign rights. For all you know, the backup copy is so that the original can be crushed in a compactor. As long as the copy is not being sold, it shouldn't matter.

24 posted on 09/03/2003 7:56:36 AM PDT by mhking
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To: Jack Wilson
? DVD's and CD's are among the most durable products you can purchase; why do you need a backup?

Allow me to prove that you need backups. I'll let my 3 year old next to your CD / DVD collection (he treats them like frisbees).

34 posted on 09/03/2003 3:18:02 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (We are crushing our enemies, seeing him driven before us and hearing the lamentations of the liberal)
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To: Jack Wilson
So when you buy a copy of a book, the publisher also has to supply free copies in any other medium you wish? Why?

Who said anything about the publisher having to supply such copies?

There is a very long-standing practice that someone who purchases a copyrighted work also purchases the rights to do certain things with that work. Even going back before the days of computers and photocopiers, it was recognized that certain types of transcription were both reasonable and proper. For example, someone who wished to record(*) a version of a piece of music on a saxophone quarted would be expected to transcribe the music into the keys necessary for the different instruments. The person would be required to purchase as many copies of the parts as would be necessary without copying(**) but would not have to pay anything extra for the transcription rights unless the transcriptions themselves were distributed.

(*) It would be necessary to obtain a compulsory license for the recording within 30 days of its production; this license would not have any associated fees or payments, however, unless or until the recording was sold or otherwise distributed. If the recording ended up being shelved no fees would be due.

(**) Generally this would imply one part per person, though if the original purchased music printed e.g. first and second clarinet parts on the same page and the transcription listed first and second saxophone on the same page, it would probably be acceptable to have both players reading off the same copy of the transcription. Note, however, that if only the second-saxophone part had to be transposed, it would probably be necessary either to transcribe both parts onto the same new page (off of which both performers would play) or else buy two copies of the page (one of which would be used as-is, and the other of which would be transposed).

The RIAA, in insisting that music must never be copied in any form, is going against very long-standing tradition. Their position would be much more supportable if they were to require that a copy of a work be purchased for every copy which is in use.

BTW, CD's can and do go bad.

37 posted on 09/03/2003 4:03:18 PM PDT by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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To: Jack Wilson
DVD's and CD's are among the most durable products you can purchase; why do you need a backup?

You've never lived in a house with young kids, have you? The things get dropped, stepped on, etc. One scratch and they're useless.

38 posted on 09/03/2003 4:14:16 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer === needs a job at the moment)
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To: Jack Wilson
So when you buy a copy of a book, the publisher also has to supply free copies in any other medium you wish? Why?

Straw-man argument. The publisher of a book does not supply me with a microfilm copy, but he doesn't complain if I choose to create one for my own purposes, nor does he complain if I choose to scan a purchased book into my PC for my own purposes

39 posted on 09/03/2003 4:17:40 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer === needs a job at the moment)
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To: Jack Wilson
So when you buy a copy of a book, the publisher also has to supply free copies in any other medium you wish? Why?

No one I know of is demanding this right. What we are demanding is to be left the hell alone in regard to how we use our DVDs and other media in our homes, cars, computers, etc. If I buy a DVD I should have a legal right to convert its data to a VCD for viewing on one of my older PCs. You are guilty of a felony under the DMCA if you do that.

40 posted on 09/03/2003 5:06:42 PM PDT by CodeMonkey
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To: Jack Wilson
I've seen them bitten by dogs, driven over by multiple cars, heavily scratched by other family users who don't put them back into their cases immediatedly upon removal, scratched by those non-tray loading players and that's just my personal experience.

I'm sure others have seen tons of other ways where the CD is somewhat less sturdy than, say, Stonehenge.

52 posted on 09/04/2003 6:43:10 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Jack Wilson
DVD's and CD's are among the most durable products you can purchase; why do you need a backup?

Because sometimes my wife borrows my CDs. Weeks later, I find them in the flooboard of her SUV, caked with makeup and with my daughter's footprints and fingerprints on them. Sometimes I rescue them just in time. Sometimes they are a total loss. Now, when I buy a CD, I always make a CDR copy and give that to her.

Until you allow my wife to borrow your CD collection, you're just blowing smoke.

98 posted on 09/05/2003 8:36:41 AM PDT by Skooz (All Hail the Mighty Kansas City Chiefs)
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To: Jack Wilson; Bloody Sam Roberts
When you buy other products do you get a free copy thrown in with the deal? Like, 2 coffee makers, in case the first one breaks down? DVD's and CD's are among the most durable products you can purchase; why do you need a backup?

Do you stand by this statement, or do you retract it after having been educated?

We'll settle it now, Bloody Sam Roberts - either he stands by it or he retracts it.

108 posted on 09/05/2003 12:30:59 PM PDT by an amused spectator
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To: Jack Wilson
I know this is an old thread, but Jack, the large portion of the price when you buy a CD or DVD is the RIGHTS to material, not the medium itself. A single blank CD or DVD is maybe a dollar or two.

When you buy a coffee maker, you're buying the physical insturment, not the right to use it.
141 posted on 09/09/2003 9:01:35 AM PDT by jjm2111
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