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Top Secret Conference Call on Sept. 11 Could Shed New Light On Terrorist Attack (Shoot Down Orders)
US News and World Report ^ | September 8, 2003 | Mark Mazzeti and Chita Ragavan

Posted on 09/02/2003 6:58:17 AM PDT by prarie earth

The (executive privledege review) transcripts may also shed light on the military's repsonse to President Bush's unprecedented order to shoot down any hijacked civilian airplane.

Pentagon sources say Bush communicated the order to Vice President Dick Cheney almost immediately after Flight 77 hit the Pentagon and the Federal Aviation Administration, for the first time ever, ordered all domestic flights grounded.

'There are unanswered questions,' said Richard Ben-Veniste, a comission member and former federal prosecutor, as to whether the shoot down order had been rehearsed for, whether it had been prepared for, and what measures were in place to protect the Capitol,' believed to be the hijackers original target for Flight 77.

Some of the questions may be raised in the comissions second interim report, due out in about two weeks.

The report will offer a substantive summary of the comissions top priorities and offer an updated report card on agency cooperation.

(Excerpt) Read more at usnews.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: New York; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: 11sept2001; 9112001; antibush; armchairquaterback; bushbashing; bushknew; cheneybashing; clintonchronies; clintonista; clintonknew; clintonlegacy; clintonoid; clymer; dnctalkingpoints; mediabias; shootdown
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To: prarie earth
So the President was in contact with Cheney after all and gave the order, so much for the libs having him incommunicado that day.

This was well known almost immediately. Witness this article dated September 17, 2001.

'Shoot-down' order was given

Excerpt:

President Bush has confirmed that he ordered any airliners refusing to turn away from Washington be shot down in the aftermath of the attack on the Pentagon, and the World Trade Center in New York.

Asked whether he had struggled with the decision, Mr Bush said: "I gave our military the orders necessary to protect Americans, do whatever it would take to protect Americans."

~snip~

Vice President Dick Cheney confirmed that the order came after World Trade Center and Pentagon had been hit, and a fourth plane appeared to be on course for the capital.

41 posted on 09/02/2003 10:50:41 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: MissAmericanPie
Does this mean that flight 911 was shot down over Penn?

Flight 93, not shot down. Crashed due to passenger uprising. Would have been shot down shortly after if the crash had not happened.

42 posted on 09/02/2003 11:01:07 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: new cruelty
Also be aware that the Admin Moderators are vigilant for violations of the WP/LAT settlement. If you accidently post too much information from one article the post will be edited. Generally there is no rebuke, just a friendly reminder.
43 posted on 09/02/2003 11:05:18 AM PDT by weegee
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To: weegee
Yes, that too has happened on several articles I have posted. And yes, there was no rebuke from the moderator, just, as you say, a friendly reminder.
44 posted on 09/02/2003 11:07:05 AM PDT by new cruelty
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To: prarie earth
I well remember Tom Brokaw's televised interview with President Bush. President Bush directly addressed his discussion with VP Cheney and the shoot down orders. To Brokaw's credit, it was an excellent interview.

Here is another reference:

September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack/Timeline September 11

Excerpt:

10:39 AM: another hijacked jumbo jet is claimed to be headed for Washington, D.C. F-15s are scrambled and patrol the airspace above Washington, D.C. while other fighter jets sweep the airspace above New York City. They have orders, first issued by Vice President Cheney and later confirmed by President Bush, to shoot down any potentially dangerous planes that do not comply with orders given to them via radio.

45 posted on 09/02/2003 11:16:42 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: prarie earth
Sorry for the delay, I had to go study and go to class.
The name of the book is Fighting Back. On the back cover it describes how President Bush was confronted with this question.
46 posted on 09/02/2003 11:30:56 AM PDT by PPHSFL (God Bless America)
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To: Tamsey

47 posted on 09/02/2003 11:32:59 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: prarie earth
More documentation of this well known order:

AMERICA ON ALERT (archive)

Scroll down to September 27, 2001:

Excerpt:

In an ominous reminder of the potential for more terror, the Pentagon confirmed that two Air Force generals have been authorized to order the military to shoot down any civilian airliner that appears to be threatening U.S. cities.

Bush issued a similar order himself in the hours after hijacked planes attacked American symbols of military might and capitalism Sept. 11.

48 posted on 09/02/2003 11:36:13 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: MissAmericanPie
No, United 93 AC's debris field/impact area appeared too concentrated for the crash to have been caused from a missile detonation.
49 posted on 09/02/2003 11:40:51 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: prarie earth
More:

'Air force was ordered to shoot down stray jets'

Monday, September 17, 2001

US Vice-President Dick Cheney has admitted that he and President George W Bush ordered the air force to shoot down any passenger jets that were being used in attacks against US landmarks.

Mr Cheney said that on Tuesday, after the first two planes had smashed into the World Trade Centre in New York, fighter jets were ordered to shoot down any plane that failed to respond to orders to divert.

This admission follows confusion over the fourth hijacked plane, which crashed near Pittsburg before it could reach its target.

The US Government has denied that the plane was shot down.

50 posted on 09/02/2003 11:42:47 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Pagey
In the wrangling over Nixon’s tapes he worked with Hillary Rodham and Bernard Nussbaum. The three would later find them- selves working together again, though this time on the defense side, in the Whitewater scandal

As to Nussbaum and Rodham working on Watergate. Let us not forget that their boss, Jerome Zeifman, found them unethical and would not give them references, (along with a Mr. Doar, who also was deemed unfit for recommendation), unlike the other staffers.

Hillary Rodham's 1974 Watergate "Procedures were Ethically Flawed"

August 16. 1999

HILLARY'S WATERGATE SCANDAL

By Jerry Zeifman

IN December 1974, as general counsel and chief of staff of the House Judiciary Committee, I made a personal evaluation of Hillary Rodham (now Mrs. Clinton), a member of the staff we had gathered for our impeachment inquiry on President Richard Nixon. I decided that I could not recommend her for any future position of public or private trust.

Why? Hillary's main duty on our staff has been described by as "establishing the legal procedures to be followed in the course of the inquiry and impeachment." A number of the procedures she recommended were ethically flawed. And I also concluded that she had violated House and committee rules by disclosing confidential information to unauthorized persons.

Hillary had conferred personally with me regarding procedural rules. I advised her that Judiciary Committee Chairman Peter Rodino, House Speaker Carl Albert, Majority Leader Tip O'Neill and I had previously agreed not to advocate anything contrary to the rules already adopted and published for that Congress. I quoted Mr. O'Neill's statement that: "To try to change the rules now would be politically divisive. It would be like trying to change the traditional rules of baseball before a World Series."

Hillary assured me that she had not drafted and would not advocate any such rules changes. I soon learned that she had lied: She had already drafted changes, and continued to advocate them.

In one written legal memorandum, she advocated denying President Nixon representation by counsel. This, though in our then-most-recent prior impeachment proceeding, the committee had afforded the right to counsel to Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas.

I also informed Hillary that the Douglas impeachment files were available for public inspection in our offices. I later learned that the Douglas files were then removed from our general files without my permission, transferred to the offices of the impeachment inquiry staff, and were no longer accessible to the public.

The young Ms. Rodham had other bad advice about procedures, arguing that the Judiciary Committee should neither 1) hold any hearings with or take the depositions of any live witnesses, nor 2) conduct any original investigation of atergate, bribery, tax evasion, or any other possible impeachable offense of President Nixon - but to rely instead on prior investigations conducted by other committees and agencies.

The committee rejected Ms. Rodham's recommendations: It agreed to allow President Nixon to be represented by counsel and to hold hearings with live witnesses. Hillary then advocated that the official rules of the House be amended to deny members of the committee the right to question witnesses. This unfair recommendation was rejected by the full House. (The committee also vetoed her suggestion that it leave the drafting of the articles of impeachment to her and her fellow special staffers.)

The recommendations advocated by Hillary were apparently initiated or approved by Yale Law School professor Burke Marshall - in violation of committee and House rules on confidentiality. They were also advocated by her immediate supervisors, Special Counsel John Doar and Senior Associate Special Counsel Bernard Nussbaum, both of whom had worked under Marshall in the Kennedy Justice Department.

It was not until two months after Nixon's resignation that I first learned of still another questionable role of Ms. Rodham. On Sept. 26, 1974, Rep. Charles Wiggins, a Republican member of the committee, wrote to ask Chairman Rodino to look into a troubling set of events. That spring, Wiggins and other committee members had asked "that research should be undertaken so as to furnish a standard against which to test the alleged abusive conduct of Richard Nixon." And, while "no such staff study was made available to the members at any time for their use," Wiggins had just learned that such a study had been conducted - at committee expense - by a team of professors who completed and filed their reports with the impeachment-inquiry staff well in advance of our public hearings.

The report was not made available to members of Congress. But after the impeachment-inquiry staff was disbanded, it was published commercially and sold in book stores. Wiggins wrote that he was "especially troubled by the possibility that information deemed essential by some of the members in their discharge of their responsibilities may have been intentionally suppressed by the staff during the course our investigation."

On Oct. 3, Rodino wrote back: "Hillary Rodham of the impeachment-inquiry staff coordinated the work. ... After the staff received the report it was reviewed by Ms. Rodham, briefly by Mr. Labovitz and Mr. Sack, and by Mr. Doar. The staff did not think the manuscript was useful in its present form."

On the charge of willful suppression, he wrote: "That was not the case ... The staff did not think the material was usable by the committee in its existing form and had not had time to modify it so it would have practical utility for the members of the committee. I was informed and agreed with the judgment."

During my 14-year tenure with the House Judiciary Committee, I had supervisory authority over several hundred staff members. With the exception of Ms. Rodham, Doar and Nussbaum, I recommend all of them for future positions of public and private trust.

Jerry Zeifman is the author of "Without Honor: The Impeachment of President Nixon and the Crimes of Camelot," which describes the above matters in more detail. (See www.iethical.org/book.htm)

51 posted on 09/02/2003 11:59:49 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: cyncooper
Well, Well,Well, A BIG Thank You for posting that.I never heard/read about this,as it had obviously escaped my radar. It appears I have yet another book to read too.Thanks again.
52 posted on 09/02/2003 2:06:28 PM PDT by Pagey (Hillary Rotten is a Smug, Holier - Than - Thou Socialist)
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To: Pagey
You are welcome.

Not hard to have it miss the radar when the mainstream media studiously ignores Zeifman's comments.

The mind boggles how the media would trumpet it (deservedly, I might add), if a Republican had served in such a capacity only to have their supervisor issue such an evaluation of their work.
53 posted on 09/02/2003 2:26:07 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Steve0113
Bump for dirt on the witch in post 51.
54 posted on 09/03/2003 5:50:18 AM PDT by Steve0113
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