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It can be argued that the dumbing-down of the pro-life movement (i.e. the acceptance of contraception and ‘exceptions’) has prevented any real success in advancing pro-life legislation, and set the movement back.

Brian, this is the kind of "all-or-nothing" menatality that marginalizes conservatives.

If you want to do anything in the political arena, you make compromises.

If we want to occupy the moral high ground, with no exceptions, we can do that, but we'll do nothing politically.

Moral purity is not the problem with the pro-life movement.

I know all that Sink. Do you at least grasp the point I'm trying to make here? You can't kill a pernicious weed if you don't know it has, or fail to attack, its taproot. Its like fighting dandelions. If you pull off the top every day for a year, you'll still have a dandelion in your yard at the end of the year.

But if you attack its central root, you'll get rid of it.

We've been "pulling the top off dandelions" for 3 decades in the pro-life movement, and the general movement to this day refuses to admit to the existence of the taproot of abortion.

The entire movement either a) is ignorant of the fact the taproot exists or b) knows it exists but refuses to admit or conceive of the fact that if you don't kill the roots, you won't kill the weed. Frankly, I think certain Catholics are just too embarassed to point out the taproot, for fear of ridicule among by the rest of the dumbed down movement.

I want to kill the weed, not continue to pop off its head each day for another 3 decades only to see another or several grow in its place, just because of political expediency. If it can't be done politically, then its time for pro-lifers to pull outta politics and re evangelize the culture about the roots of abortion, which is and always will be the contraceptive mentality.

I actually agree with both of you. The Catholic writer is exactly right, that the current state of affairs began with a liberalism that originated 70 years ago. He is also right, that the matters are really tied together. Once an adult can separate sex from procreation, then it can be separated from love, marriage, commitment, family, motherhood and fatherhood, etc., and can become a form of worship itself.

But where I agree with you is that change doesn't come fast. It took 70 years to get where we are today, and the tide has turned. It might be another 50 years before civilization values life as it once did.

"If you want to do anything in the political arena, you make compromises."

Wrong. "Compromise" is what got us into this trouble. Look what has happened to the Republican party when it "compromised" on abortion, on homosexuals, on big government etc.. Ever wonder why liberals do NOT compromise?

"If we want to occupy the moral high ground, with no exceptions, we can do that, but we'll do nothing politically."

Wrong. By setting the RIGHT example, and NOT compromising is what gives the conservative movement credibility and momentum. It is conservatives that need to EDUCATE others on WHY they chose this high moral ground. Why they don't is beyond me. Actually is it because they have become cowardly apologetics. Afraid of being villified or having ridiculous stereotypes hurled at them.

Personally I am ashamed of being a Republican. The ONLY reason that keeps me registered as one is the glimmer of hope that maybe, just maybe the party MIGHT throw money at a conservative Republican so they can state their views.

I know for a FACT that in NJ the Republican party shys AWAY from pro life canidates. They will NOT give as much money to one that is pro life. This is what compromise has done.