Posted on 08/31/2003 9:39:43 AM PDT by expat_panama
Edited on 07/12/2004 4:07:19 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Back in 1995, right in the middle of a nine-year economic boom, Louis Uchitelle co-authored an absurdly downbeat series of New York Times articles on "The Downsizing of America." That series was full of opinion polls, as though popular illusions could substitute for facts. More recently, there has been hope that scandals at the New York Times might have given new editors at least a casual interest in factual accuracy. Apparently not. A couple of weeks ago, the unrepentant Mr. Uchitelle wrote yet another weirdly apocalyptic piece claiming, that "manufacturing is slowly disappearing in the United States."
(Excerpt) Read more at washtimes.com ...
Then what's this: "Yet the National Association of Manufacturers' Web site shows that "manufacturing's share of the U.S. economy, as measured by real GDP, has been stable since the late 1940s.... The overall share remains the same over the business cycle. "?
Looks like "facts" to me... www.nam.org
You're right, Alan Reynolds doesn't know shit.
If you read about how their index is put together Overview of the Manufacturing ISM Report On Business you'll find it is a diffusion index based on a survey of 400 companies (of late) and it reports a qualitative change from reporting period to reporting period. Their ISM production survey responses goes back to 1948, but they don't publish any summaries or charts over the entire period. Presummably Mr. Reynolds did some analysis but he has not shown his work.
Because the ISM diffusion index is qualitative, i.e. responses are more/same/less than previous period - not once are actual quantitative numbers collected - only the Dept of Commerce does that.
More so, the Dept of Commerce collects the data for all of manufacturing and makes some effort at consistancy. For instance, back in the '40's there was not much of an electronics industry, yet that doesn't prevent Mr. Reynolds from extrapolating it's contributions forward and generalizing to today's economy. Further, if you actually go look at the NAPM/ISM's data, you'll notice they don't break out industries, so Mr. Reynolds could not legitimately conclude electronics contributed half of manufacturing's gains (and note he doesn't qualify gains (gains in what units, dollars? shipments? transactions? - again he doesn't say) from NAPM/ISM data.
I charitably concluded he was getting his info from somewhere else but didn't want to say where.
Further, he argues Yet the National Association of Manufacturers' Web site shows that "manufacturing's share of the U.S. economy, as measured by real GDP, has been stable since the late 1940s....
Well, the NAPM doesn't track or report real GDP data (only the Dept of Commerce, as I linked, does that) or manufacturing's contribution thereof - he's simply mistaken about what the NAPM data is.
Lastly, if you go back far enough (1940's) you can argue statistically just about anything will appear stable over the last 50-60 years. What is insightful about that? Has it been stable over the last 5, 10 15 years is meaningful.
You ask Then what's this: "Yet the National Association of Manufacturers' Web site shows that "manufacturing's share of the U.S. economy, as measured by real GDP, has been stable since the late 1940s.... The overall share remains the same over the business cycle. "?
I'm afraid Mr Reynolds doesn't have a clue, and I can't help him on that point.
Well, obviously you can see for yourself the page you posted does not go back to the 1940's nor is it "real GDP share" data. It appears to be a weighted index based in 1997.
I did scrounge around their website. Most of what they list appears to be perhaps available to members only as many of the links describe what a report is but does not provide the report itself.
There is one at Expansion Healthier Than the 1960s - EXECUTIVE SUMMARY but it is an old report at least pre-Y2K and does contain at least one factual error:
We anticipate that when the new data on output in manufacturing is released, it will show that over 30 percent of growth in GDP since 1992 was accounted for by manufacturing activity.This is simply false as the BEA data shows Mfg GDP share from 1992 to 1999 is a 6.4% drop:
6.4% drop = 17.1 - 16.0 / 17.1 x 100
NAM website also has a report at The State of Manufacturing in the 1990s wherein they have a pie chart as follows:
Which also shows Mfg GDP growth share at 22% from 1991 to 1998, but they seem to argue sofware at 4% (because it related to manufactured hardware) should be included as manufacturing output (raising it to 26%). But that's like arguing gasoline should be part of automotive - silly. Regardless again as per the BEA data, Mfg's share of GDP shrank:
6.3% drop = 17.4 - 16.3 / 17.4 x 100Their own executive summary reports a 30% share growth Mfg contribution and the pie chart reports 22% for basically the same period. They have quite a discrepancy in their own data.
From NAMs Quick Facts:
But these are percentage calculations based on chained data which are invalid as I explained above.- Manufacturing's Share of the Economy has been constant over time. 1947-2000* 1997-2000 2001 2002 Manufacturing Share of Real GDP 17.3 17.1 16.2 16.1 Source: Commerce Department *Data prior to 1987 are from NAM estimates based on historic GDP data
It is also interesting to note from the same quick facts:
While Mr. Uchitelle first began whining about manufacturing being "downsized," it actually grew by 5.3 percent a year from 1992 through 2000. Manufacturing then fell 4.1 percent in 2001 (the bottom of his "trend") but rose at a 6.1 percent pace during the first three quarters of last year.Employment Situation (source: U.S. Department of Labor) - Total nonfarm payroll employment declined 44,000 in July 03 to 129,870,000. - Manufacturing employment declined 71,000 in July 03 to 14,612,000*. - Manufacturing workers accounted for 11.3 percent of the workforce in July 03. - The unemployment rate in July 03 was 6.2 percent. - After peaking at 17.3 million in July 2000, manufacturing employment has fallen by 2.7 million over 36 consecutive months.* - Since July 2000, employment other non-manufacturing sectors of the economy has risen by 623,000 through July to 115,258,000.
Well actually from NAM's own 'QuickFacts' again (wherein they cite BEA data) Mfg dropped not 4.1% but 7.4% and not 6.1% but only .6% in Nov '02 to Jun '03:
During the 18 months between June 2000 and December 2001, manufacturing production declined 7.4 percent. - The 2000-2001 manufacturing recession was the second longest in the past 50 years (the 1982 manufacturing recession spanned 19 months.) - From November 2001 to June 2003, manufacturing production edged up just 0.6 percent. This is the slowest initial 19-month recovery since the Federal Reserve began tracking monthly manufacturing production in 1919.
So I apologize for my erroneously quoting NAPM/ISM data, but the NAM compuations I assume Mr. Reynolds relies upon are invalid for real chained data, and they rely upon their own estimates for pre-1987 data (which they haven't published to the public) and the percentage Mfg share of GDP growths they do claim conflict with what the BEA data shows as actual contractions, so again it is not clear how Mr. Reynolds or the NAM did their analysis.
Again if he had shown the facts underlying his analysis, he might have a case to make, but I doubt it.
Frankly, the 'fellows' at the Cato Institute have never worked a day in their lives, and are the worst of the Ivory Tower shills for the vampires sucking the industrial life out of the country.
It would be interesting to see a financial breakdown on the principal donors to this organization. It might prove informative to see if their are explicit links to Chinese 'businessmen' and other agents-of-influence. Cato was NOTHING back in the 80's, when all the greatest victories were won. The Heritage Foundation, Hoover Foundation, and American Enterprise Institute were our key think-tanks which were the intellectual bulwark against the communists and their intellectual proxies. Unfortunately, it appears that Heritage has lost focus and is either drifting or has been partially co-opted.
Cato hit-pieces typically do stress a completely and irrationally distorted view of the world.
E.g., Some engineering associates of mine at Boeing are truly alarmed at the sucking sound they hear...not for themselves...but for the country's aerospace manufacturing capability. It is truly being devastated. The 767 retrofit as a airborne tanker to replace the KC-135's is, in fact, a subsidy, a emergency lifeline, to try and keep Boeing alive in the face of the subsidized AirBus competition. The engineers are frightened that even this will not be enough, and that Boeing management is throwing too much assembly to China. Training our next enemy. And throwing too much assembly to Japan...possibly our biggest commercial peer competitor.
The labor rolls at Boeing are collapsing down another 50,000 skilled laborers, and it is not yet being addressed as a truly national crisis. Studies done show that unless the U.S. government intervenes to stop the foreign-subsidy attacks, Boeing will likely cease domestic commercial aircraft production altogether in just ten years...with catastrophic effects on the U.S. industrial base. And it is likely a permanent reversal, due to the 'intellectual capital base' that is eroding...the very seed-corn of our technology, e.g.,:
At the same time, the study authors document a major decrease in the number of scientist and engineer positions in the U.S. aerospace industry, which plummeted by 800 per cent from 1970 to 2000. More cuts are anticipated, they say."
Interesting how Cato's rose-colored prognostications NEVER talk about the aerospace industry, isn't it? I honestly can't trust any of Cato's work product. Clearly agenda-driven, and from all signs...an enemy of the Republic.
boingo_temp: Registered August 31, 2003. Another Cato troll?
Oh well, whoever you really are, you have had your hat handed to you by Starwind. The Truth Will Out.
As you well recognize, part of the effort to obscure the focus on the consequences is to avoid a clear description of the data.
The real bottom line is that we are exporting not only jobs, but our manufacturing base and capability.
Thank you. I hope to present as compelling and accurate an explanation as I can, though I have and will make mistakes.
STARTS HERE:
Here is a graph from NAM:http://www.nam.org/tertiary.asp?TrackID=&CategoryID=680&DocumentID=1432 It is followed by this text: Manufacturings share of the U.S. economy, as measured by real Gross Domestic Product (GDP*), has been stable since the late 1940s. During this time, the ratio of manufactured output to GDP has primarily been between 20 percent and 23 percent. During expansions, manufacturing grows more rapidly than GDP; during recessions, it contracts more rapidly. The overall share remains the same over the business cycle. The reason for manufacturings stability is that there is a synergy between manufacturing and other sectors. Manufacturing generates most of the economys productivity and technology, while other sectors such as services generate the largest share of new employment. The productivity generated by manufacturing raises the wages of workers employed in all sectors. The productivity enhancements generated in manufacturing boost activity in other sectors. As these sectors become more successful, they, in turn, create more demand for manufactured goods and its high-paying jobs. Here is a newer table: And here is Bruce Bart Unlike Bruce, I am NOT saying manufacturing is not hurting. That always happens before recessions officially begin and for a year or two after they end. Im just saying its cyclical not some ominous long-term trend. And it isnt related to imports. Imports have risen since March (as have stocks) because industry is picking up, therefore needing more imported materials (oil, copper
) and parts (the stuff that goes into computers). Manufacturing in Gross DOMESTIC product does not count imported components, just value-added. The Feds industrial production index (mfg is about 85% of that) is likewise just domestic output. A lot of the long and strong rise of manufacturing in the 90s -- and subsequent fall -- was high tech equipment chips, computers, telecom. Its coming back. Naturally, as we move toward higher-valued products, we get out of black and white TVs (Mitsubishi big screens are made here) and inexpensive clothing (though we make high fashion and do very well in fabrics as a whole). Japan did the same years ago, and North Korea and Hong Kong more recently. We used to use a lot more workers in farming too, but the fact that we dont use so many today is good news not bad. Were still the farm king. Alan -----Original Message----- Dear Mr Reynalds, My name is Bill Carson, and I'm attempting to defend your Manufacturing Myths article on Free Republic. I'm unable to locate the source data on the NAM web site for some of your claims. Specifically: " I'm also unable to see a refernce to the 1940s manufacturing percent of GDP that you mentioned. Can you please guide me to the source. It would be much appreciated. Also, if you're interested, here is the FR debate thread on this topic: Thank you, Bill Carson
From: Bill Carson [mailto:removed]
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 7:59 AM
To: Alan Reynolds
Subject: Data for Manufacturing Myths.
Here is the NAM graph he cited. Note that it runs from 1947 thru 1998, a 50 year period. The numerical 'stability' (primarily been between 20 percent and 23 percent ) is a statistical artifact of having chosen a 50 year period and relative to GDP (which is a much larger number). Stability is what you see from about 1947 thru 1955. Thereafter the swings gets longer and larger.
Noting that the graph in fact is not stable (relative to GDP) he and Bartlett argue Manufacturing is "cyclical". It is no more cyclical than most other segments and the downturns coincide with recessions, but they didn't plot the downturn for the 2001 recession or since then. Now why is that?Further, that graph and the NAM Quick Facts he cited (which are the exact same I cited in my post #30) both rely on the same invalid use of chained dollar data, which I previously explained in my post #20. Mr Reynolds is either not paying attention to the issues or and doesn't understand the issues and is in over his head. I will elaborate on my points in post #20:
What you see with chained dollar series data is essentially the quantity of units produced (widgets if a good, else transactions or time worked if a service) times the 1996 dollar price per unit, usually expressed in millions or billions of dollars computed horizontally for each sector. The series (the horizontal data trailing back before 1996 and forward from 1996) is computed using formulas that remove price changes relative to the base year (1996). Each sector (textiles, paper, automotive, electonics, etc) has a different formula (or parameters) that is unique to the nature of that sector's business. That's why the chained dollar series is not additive. Meaning, if you add the items for all sectors from a given column, you will not get the number at the top of the column because they weren't intended to total up, and why you can't compute a percentage share of total GDP for any given component from chained dollar data. That is the main drawback of chained dollar data and why the BEA writes the cautionary note that it is "not additive". It essentially is 'correct' only as the formulas were constructed for those sectors portrayed in any given table; hence the need to go to other tables for GDP share percentages - which tables the BEA provides.
So what good is chained dollar data? Well, it's useful to express in dollars the actual productive output of a sector independent of price changes and inflation/deflation. For example, if a university educates 1000 students in 1990 at $100/student (total $100K) and educates 1000 students in 2000 at $1000/student (total $1M), you might erroneously conclude the university had a tenfold increase in output (degreed graduates) if you looked at just the dollars charged. Likewise, the opposite error can be made if considering the output of computer manufacturing without factoring out the decreasing charges for electronics equipment. So the idea of chained dollar data is to show how much was actually produced, regardless of how its prices and inflation or deflation may have changed. Look specifically at textiles, paper and tobbaco to see marked absolute declines and electronics equipment for marked absolute growth.
Specific to manufacturing, one must also keep in mind that the electronics equipment sector was added to manufacturing in 1996. Electronics contributed almost nothing in the 50's thru the 70's and exploded in the 80's and 90's. So electronics contributes a distorted 'health' to the latter decade of manufacturing, whereas manufacturing stood on its heavy industry strength in previous decades. Also specific to manufacturing, it should be noted that key sectors are not included in the current chained dollar series data, such as aerospace.
So why does the real GDP chained dollar data show manufacturing increasing steadily from 1987 to 1999? Well if you note it didn't during recession years '90-'92, and won't for '01-'02, possibly '03 as well. Further, recall healthy sectors like electronics have been added while unhealthy ones like aerospace have been left out. Some sectors have increased overall and some have decreased overall. Also declining prices due to global competiton are not shown - remember the purpose of chained dollar series is to remove price fluctuations as an effect - and prices have generally declined in manufacturing whereas by contrast they've generally increased in services (think tuition, lawyers, banking/mortgage fees, etc.). It is also true that productivity has increased; robotics and automation have helped to produce more with fewer workers.
So even though the manufacturing base we do have may have produced more widgets (according to real GDP chained dollar data) , that does not mean that widget prices were profitable, or that widget-making workers kept their jobs, or that we've not lost widget companies. Nor does it give a good comparison to the rest of the economy, i.e. if the economy overall shrank, than one would expect manufacturing to shrink and vice versa. That's why the BEA provides the GDP share by industry tables.
As per Gross Domestic Product by Industry in Current Dollars As a Percentage of Gross Domestic Product, Manufacturing's percentage contribution to total GDP has declined about 27% from 1988 to 2001.
A lot of the long and strong rise of manufacturing in the 90s -- and subsequent fall -- was high tech equipment - chips, computers, telecom. It's coming back
LOL! The rise yes, but not the fall. Coming back? Electronics never left. That's one major contributing component that has not declined and continues to support manufacturing. From the BEA's Real Gross Domestic Product by Industry in Chained (1996) Dollars I have extracted the manufacturing Real GDP in chained 1996 dollars for 1987 through 2001, along with the electronic equipment portion of manufacturing:
Line 1987 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1 Gross domestic product......................... 6,113.3 6,368.4 6,591.8 6,707.9 6,676.4 6,880.0 7,062.6 12 Manufacturing.................................... 1,046.3 1,120.2 1,111.6 1,102.3 1,066.3 1,085.0 1,122.9 20 Electronic and other electric equipment...... 54.0 60.8 66.4 68.6 72.7 73.3 85.0 Line 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 1 Gross domestic product......................... 7,347.7 7,543.8 7,813.2 8,159.5 8,508.9 8,859.0 9,191.4 9,214.5 12 Manufacturing.................................... 1,206.0 1,284.7 1,316.0 1,387.2 1,444.3 1,513.9 1,585.4 1,490.3 20 Electronic and other electric equipment...... 103.3 128.7 153.2 182.2 210.8 249.2 311.8 335.2Reading horizontally (not computing a percentage vertically) note that Electronics continued growth (in quanitity of units if charged at 1996 prices). No decline.
And as Paul Ross note in his post #31 above, aircraft manufacturing has been ignored. True the government breaks it out separately, but you can bet if there was happy story to tell, Reynolds and Bartlett would tell it - but there isn't. It's inclusion would drag the Mfg stats down further. Perhaps Paul will post a link to the thread he posted on Aircraft manufacturing's decline?
Bruce Bartlett again. (sigh) Bartlett's mathematically invalid cheerleading is what started this mess. It has been debunked here at The Truly Good Shape of U.S. Manufacturing post#32 wherein Mr. Bartlett tried to rebut the criticism he received from Mr. Roberts who likewise refutted his analysis here at Trade nothink.
The analysis done by Bartlett and Reynolds is invalid and devoid of substance.
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