"somehow somebody has wronged you"...Interesting spin. YOU are that somebody, and YOU in fact, DID publicly call into question my salvation, solely because I withstood you in false doctrine. I have assembled the salient posts here:
From the FR thread "Arminianism -- False Doctrines of the "Pope" of Modern Pelagianism"
Then perhaps you aren't saved yet. 395 posted on 08/17/2003 11:11 PM EDT by Cvengr (0:^)) ___________________________________________ The entire posting might make sense to the soulish man, one not yet a believer, for such a person is dichotomous and things of the sirit are foolishness to him. ...... You are on the right track to study Scripture. Now study it after returning to righteous relationship with Him and allowing the Holy Spirit to guide you where one's soul may have been previously scarred. 401 posted on 08/17/2003 11:59 PM EDT by Cvengr (0:^)) _______________________________________ My, that is an incredible leap of logic. An observation by no means is a judgment. Discerning between soulish things and things of the spirit are foolishness to those not yet saved. If this is foolishness to you, then perhaps you are not in fellowship with Him. Man is originally born with only soul and body, so those unsaved will not understand these things. Also, one who has been saved, but has fallen without repentence and acting out of human good, rather than divine good, also might not see them. Do you understand them? 402 posted on 08/18/2003 12:02 AM EDT by Cvengr (0:^)) ________________________________________ No, I'm not arrogant, I am deeply offended. To a level you have no way of understanding. You were challenging my salvation, and you haven't got the decency to admit it. 540 posted on 08/19/2003 3:36 AM EDT by nobdysfool (All men are born Arminians...the Christian ones that grow up become Calvinists...) ____________________________________________ Tough 542 posted on 08/19/2003 3:42 AM EDT by Cvengr (0:^)) ______________________________________________ I made an orthodox confession of faith and have defended that confession. You questioned my salvation, called me "soulish", speculated that I might in fact not be saved, impuned my posts, and even now are hinting that you believe I have a fallen nature, which is tantamount to saying that I am not a Christian. How dare you make such accusations, such slander, and such false statements?! Who gave you the right? 694 posted on 08/20/2003 2:11 AM EDT by nobdysfool (All men are born Arminians...the Christian ones that grow up become Calvinists...) ________________________________________________ This is orthodox, this is Truth, and this is my confession of faith, that the Father chose me (I did not first choose Him), and saved me by His Effectual Grace which enabled me to believe, by the power and work of Jesus Christ, Who died, was buried, and rose the third day for my justification, and Who shall come again to receive me into His Glory at His Blessed Return. This I believe and affirm with all my heart. 758 posted on 08/21/2003 1:45 AM EDT by nobdysfool (All men are born Arminians...the Christian ones that grow up become Calvinists...) _________________________________________________ A statement of orthodoxy is not necessarily an evidence of faith. If such a statement is made while not in fellowship with Him, then it is merely human good, lacking divine good and good for nothing, lacking in faith. 768 posted on 08/21/2003 2:46 AM EDT by Cvengr (0:^)) __________________________________________________ Spirit-filled response? Hardly! Questioning a person's salvation because they aggressively disagree with your doctrine is NOT a Spirit-filled response. And your subsequent obfuscation and avoidance is all the more telling. 769 posted on 08/21/2003 2:49 AM EDT by nobdysfool (All men are born Arminians...the Christian ones that grow up become Calvinists...) _____________________________________________ I render you no insult. If a person is insulted by application of Bible Doctrine, then this is an indication of degeneracy. 771 posted on 08/21/2003 2:54 AM EDT by Cvengr (0:^)) __________________________________________________ No, it's not. That is the dodge you employ to avoid admitting that you questioned my salvation unjustly, and have continued to do so by implication. I am offended by your questioning of my salvation. Your doctrine is not the issue here. We disagree doctrinally, that is plain for all to see. You crossed the line when you called into question my salvation, or the status thereof. Either way, that was offensive, uncalled for, and indicative to me and many others here of the sin of pride. What you may think in your own thoughts of me is of no concern to me. But when you make it public, it becomes a matter of public record, and that does concern me. It is a matter of honor, sir. You have impuned my honor, and my standing before God in the eyes of others who read these threads. If you cannot see that, and refuse to show the grace and humility that is encouraged of us by God, then you impune your own honor and reputation. 776 posted on 08/21/2003 3:08 AM EDT by nobdysfool (All men are born Arminians...the Christian ones that grow up become Calvinists...) ________________________________________________ The Great Commission mandated such communication. If you are insulted. Tough. 777 posted on 08/21/2003 3:11 AM EDT by Cvengr (0:^)) _________________________________________________ Your judgment means nothing. You have wronged me, and you know it. God gave you no such command to slander those who don't agree with you. That is ultimately what this is about. I withstood you because you erred doctrinally, and you in turn began to call my salvation into question publicly. You think to impress by the use of "high" language, and want to be seen as "learned" and "mature". All you have succeeded in doing is to make a buffoon of yourself. 778 posted on 08/21/2003 3:22 AM EDT by nobdysfool (All men are born Arminians...the Christian ones that grow up become Calvinists...) _________________________________________________
Now then, shall we discuss your apology?
"somehow somebody has wronged you"...Interesting spin. YOU are that somebody, and YOU in fact, DID publicly call into question my salvation, solely because I withstood you in false doctrine. I have assembled the salient posts here:
From the FR thread "Arminianism -- False Doctrines of the "Pope" of Modern Pelagianism"
Then perhaps you aren't saved yet. 395 posted on 08/17/2003 11:11 PM EDT by Cvengr (0:^))___________________________________________
The entire posting might make sense to the soulish man, one not yet a believer, for such a person is dichotomous and things of the sirit are foolishness to him. ......
You are on the right track to study Scripture. Now study it after returning to righteous relationship with Him and allowing the Holy Spirit to guide you where one's soul may have been previously scarred.
401 posted on 08/17/2003 11:59 PM EDT by Cvengr (0:^))
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My, that is an incredible leap of logic. An observation by no means is a judgment. Discerning between soulish things and things of the spirit are foolishness to those not yet saved. If this is foolishness to you, then perhaps you are not in fellowship with Him. Man is originally born with only soul and body, so those unsaved will not understand these things. Also, one who has been saved, but has fallen without repentence and acting out of human good, rather than divine good, also might not see them.
Do you understand them?
402 posted on 08/18/2003 12:02 AM EDT by Cvengr (0:^))
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No, I'm not arrogant, I am deeply offended. To a level you have no way of understanding. You were challenging my salvation, and you haven't got the decency to admit it.
540 posted on 08/19/2003 3:36 AM EDT by nobdysfool (All men are born Arminians...the Christian ones that grow up become Calvinists...)
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Tough
542 posted on 08/19/2003 3:42 AM EDT by Cvengr (0:^))
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I made an orthodox confession of faith and have defended that confession. You questioned my salvation, called me "soulish", speculated that I might in fact not be saved, impuned my posts, and even now are hinting that you believe I have a fallen nature, which is tantamount to saying that I am not a Christian. How dare you make such accusations, such slander, and such false statements?! Who gave you the right?
694 posted on 08/20/2003 2:11 AM EDT by nobdysfool (All men are born Arminians...the Christian ones that grow up become Calvinists...)
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This is orthodox, this is Truth, and this is my confession of faith, that the Father chose me (I did not first choose Him), and saved me by His Effectual Grace which enabled me to believe, by the power and work of Jesus Christ, Who died, was buried, and rose the third day for my justification, and Who shall come again to receive me into His Glory at His Blessed Return. This I believe and affirm with all my heart.
758 posted on 08/21/2003 1:45 AM EDT by nobdysfool (All men are born Arminians...the Christian ones that grow up become Calvinists...)
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A statement of orthodoxy is not necessarily an evidence of faith. If such a statement is made while not in fellowship with Him, then it is merely human good, lacking divine good and good for nothing, lacking in faith.
768 posted on 08/21/2003 2:46 AM EDT by Cvengr (0:^))
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Spirit-filled response? Hardly! Questioning a person's salvation because they aggressively disagree with your doctrine is NOT a Spirit-filled response. And your subsequent obfuscation and avoidance is all the more telling.
769 posted on 08/21/2003 2:49 AM EDT by nobdysfool (All men are born Arminians...the Christian ones that grow up become Calvinists...)
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I render you no insult. If a person is insulted by application of Bible Doctrine, then this is an indication of degeneracy.
771 posted on 08/21/2003 2:54 AM EDT by Cvengr (0:^))
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No, it's not. That is the dodge you employ to avoid admitting that you questioned my salvation unjustly, and have continued to do so by implication. I am offended by your questioning of my salvation. Your doctrine is not the issue here. We disagree doctrinally, that is plain for all to see. You crossed the line when you called into question my salvation, or the status thereof. Either way, that was offensive, uncalled for, and indicative to me and many others here of the sin of pride. What you may think in your own thoughts of me is of no concern to me. But when you make it public, it becomes a matter of public record, and that does concern me. It is a matter of honor, sir. You have impuned my honor, and my standing before God in the eyes of others who read these threads. If you cannot see that, and refuse to show the grace and humility that is encouraged of us by God, then you impune your own honor and reputation.
776 posted on 08/21/2003 3:08 AM EDT by nobdysfool (All men are born Arminians...the Christian ones that grow up become Calvinists...)
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The Great Commission mandated such communication. If you are insulted. Tough.
777 posted on 08/21/2003 3:11 AM EDT by Cvengr (0:^))
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Your judgment means nothing. You have wronged me, and you know it. God gave you no such command to slander those who don't agree with you. That is ultimately what this is about. I withstood you because you erred doctrinally, and you in turn began to call my salvation into question publicly. You think to impress by the use of "high" language, and want to be seen as "learned" and "mature". All you have succeeded in doing is to make a buffoon of yourself.
778 posted on 08/21/2003 3:22 AM EDT by nobdysfool (All men are born Arminians...the Christian ones that grow up become Calvinists...)
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Now then, shall we discuss your apology?