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To: Dr Warmoose
"..then if anyone goes to Hell on account of sin then God is demanding double payment for sin..."

Now you are beginning to reason well. No man will ever go to Hell or eternal damnation because of sin (Disobedience to His Will)(other than the rejection of God Himself in the Holy Spirit).

The penalty of sin is death, or in the Hebrew a state of separation.

If we sin, spiritually we are separated from the Holy Spirit or not in fellowship with Him. If we have never believed, then we are already dead or separated spiritually from Him because of Adam's death from the fall in the Garden.

When Christ died on the Cross, being a perfect man, body, soul and spirit, He had a perfect Spirit which could be sacrificed to make atonement for the original sin.

There are other issues regarding the body and soul, but in regards to the God breathed spirit, only upon Christ's sacrifice was it possible for a living righteous spirit to re-enter man. Given by God, the Holy Spirit, when we have faith in Him, we have not done anything which would require God to be inconsistent if He chose to enter us.

Now by remaining Soveriegn and immutable, just and righteous, the spiritual sin has been atoned and He may again breath that new life into us.

That new life is not unrighteous. Man, now who has faith in Jesus Christ, God the Son and His saving work, has now performed something nonmeritoriously, not a work deserving a wage, but a simple belief, a faith in Christ, which the Holy Spirit may now use to perform an effective salvation within us.

Good which we perform while in fellowship with Him, now may count towards divine righteousness. Without that fellowship, our good works are nothing but filthy rags.

The universal position that all of man's works are unrighteous fails to give credit to the work of Christ and the efficacious grace of the Holy Spirit.

210 posted on 08/31/2003 7:56:45 PM PDT by Cvengr (0:^))
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To: Cvengr; Dr Warmoose; lockeliberty; CCWoody; Dr. Eckleburg; drstevej; Wrigley; ...
When Christ died on the Cross, being a perfect man, body, soul and spirit, He had a perfect Spirit which could be sacrificed to make atonement for the original sin.

You deny the Atonement with that statement. It wasn't Christ's Spirit that bought forgiveness of sin, it was the death of His physical body!

For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. (1Pe 2:21-24)

Now, how did that get in there??? Shoots your little theory all to hell, doesn't it?

The universal position that all of man's works are unrighteous fails to give credit to the work of Christ and the efficacious grace of the Holy Spirit.

Where did you cut and paste this from? You haven't got a clue as to what you are talking about. You are denying the Atonement, and what it did, with this Gnostic crap. Your thelogy (and I use the term loosely) is Pelagian and gnostic, and is doubly heresy.

239 posted on 09/02/2003 1:06:41 AM PDT by nobdysfool (All men are born Arminians...the Christian ones that grow up become Calvinists...)
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