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1 posted on 08/29/2003 6:51:30 PM PDT by yonif
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There is a simple test anyone can apply to the morality of an act. When someone who calls themself a Christian tells me that a woman should have the right to choose, that God is Merciful and wouldn't force a woman to carry a child she did not want, or that was a result of rape or incest, implying the act is somehow NOT immoral, I ask them a simple question:

"Can YOU picture Jesus Christ dressed in surgical garb, at an abortion clinic, ripping a baby piece by piece from a woman's womb?!? Is that Merciful? Would Jesus Christ EVER commit such a crime?"

The answer is obvious to us and to pro-abortion men and women.

Likewise, can anyone imagine Jesus Christ dressed in fatigues and black face, hiding in bushes behind an abortionist's home, clutching a high powered rifle, waiting for an opportunity to take the life of that abortionist? Can anyone imagine HIM killing an abortionist who would then die unrepentant in his sin, damned eternally to Hell?

No. The answer is obvious. EVERY man, no matter how vile his crime, must have an opportunity to repent and be saved. Jesus would never hide in the bushes with a rifle to take the life of a sinner.

Perfect justice exists ONLY in Heaven. Due to Original Sin, we will NEVER have Perfect Justice here on earth. An anti-abortion activist that resorts to violence is not acting in the way of the Lord. Period.

On the other hand, a large percentage of abortuary clinic bombings and arsons happen not at the hands of protesters but by the hands of clinic owners themselves, their petty rivals, and even boyfriends whose child was killed in the womb by the abortionist.

Likewise, many of the murders of abortionists were a result not of "anti-abortion violence" but of the consequences of the debased immoral lives abortionists live. Here's a few examples from a Wanderer article of December 10, 1998:

Among some of the more grisly-though not exactly atypical-deaths of prominent abortionists are these few from the files of the Pro-Life Action League in Chicago, provided to The Wanderer for this report:


*San Diego abortion clinic director, militant radical feminist, and lesbian Deborah Fleming, 35, shot herself in the head on May 26th, 1990 in a motel room in Yuma, Ariz. She was, apparently, distraught over her inability to conceive a child.

*Abortionist Lynn D. Weller of Kansas City was shot to death in his home in September, 1973 by two masked gunmen, hired by rival abortionist Dr. William Carlos, who was angry that Weller was having an affair with his ex-wife.

*Notorious Chicago abortion mill owner Kenneth Yellen literally died in the gutter after his gangland-style execution in November, 1979: five shots in the head as he walked to work. Police discovered that Yellen-who also was involved in the gambling, prostitution, and pornography- businesses -was more than $1 million in debt.

*George Patterson, who operated abortion mills in Alabama and Florida, was gunned down outside a porn theater in downtown Mobile in august, 1993, where he was a regular customer.

We must remember that there is Perfect Justice in Heaven for both baby killers and baby killer killers.
2 posted on 08/29/2003 6:58:59 PM PDT by Polycarp ("If God does not exist, everything is permitted" - Father Felix Lubyxsynsky)
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Murder is murder, and Mr. Hill is a murderer. I hope that Mr. Hill puts his soul in order and repents his evil before his execution.

Reading this article, I'm reminded how the David Gunn murder made me aware of media bias. I was visiting my family in Chicago at the time, and the Chicago Tribune reported how 1100 anti-abortion groups had comdemned the murder, and one group of wackjobs in Virginia had applauded it. I then returned to Albany, NY, in time to read the same story in the Albany paper - with the condemnations omitted and the wackjobs emphasized.

It's amazing how your eyes open up when you realize you've been lied to - within a year I went from on-the-fence on abortion to pro-life.

3 posted on 08/29/2003 7:02:24 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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"It's sad that people like Paul Hill would murder in the name of life."

Yes, this is reserved for those in Planned Parenthood. What a hypocrite!

I don't know the facts of this ten year old drama, but I do not believe the death penalty is warranted, not when I see so many who truly deserve it and avoid it. This man could be secured so he would never again be a threat to society, and, unless he's a nut, probably would not be such a threat anyway.

It will all be sorted out one day, but it does not seem just for this life to be taken for a crime which does not compare in most respects to the murders we allow every day in this sick society where abortion is as common and as ordinary as a headache.
7 posted on 08/29/2003 7:36:05 PM PDT by Sir Charles
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To: yonif
Don't think of it as an "execution".

Think of it as "post-natal abortion".

11 posted on 08/29/2003 7:41:29 PM PDT by Imal (The World According to Imal: http://imal.blogspot.com)
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Paul Hill is the John Brown of 2003.
13 posted on 08/29/2003 7:49:26 PM PDT by Mini-14
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O.J. walks, SLA and Weathermen heroes walk (with Ph.D's earned in prison and university jobs after that,) Manson Family lives comfortably inside sunny California prisons (earning their higher degrees as well.) What a country! We can discuss it all until the cows come home, but the country shows where its priorities lie no matter what we say here. Moider is moider? Rilly?
14 posted on 08/29/2003 8:00:30 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Go ahead, make my day and re-state the obvious! Again!)
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a Presbyterian minister who gunned down an abortion doctor will next week become the first American executed for anti-abortion violence.

As a former confirmed Presbyterian, I have to admit my own surprise about there being any Presbyterians left who take their faith so seriously that they would kill or die for it.

27 posted on 08/29/2003 8:56:29 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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Anyone who sheds blood without cause is guilty of murder. The man who killed the abortion doctor is guilty of murder and apparently will be justly executed for his crime.

But lets keep in mind that people who have blood on their hands by murdering babies will not escape God's wrath. They will be judged not in this life but the next.

I fear for this this nation that God is just and that his justice will not sleep forever... To quote one of the founding fathers.
30 posted on 08/29/2003 9:09:12 PM PDT by ColdSteelTalon
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I think that if you took an honest poll of public opinion on the subject of abortion in the United States you'd emerge half encouraged and half dejected. Most people here believe that abortion should be available in rare, exceptional instances, such as rape, or where the mother's life is at stake; most would confine abortion to the early stages of pregnancy, where an unborn child doesn't actually look like an unborn child. Yet most are completely ignorant of the philosophical underpinnings of the anti-abortion argument, and especially of the need to provide an objective standard for defining when human life begins. Until this changes, public opinion will always come down on the side of abortion; and since no objective standard for defining the beginning of human life exists, the public will support extreme positions on abortion simply to keep it from becoming unavailable. I wish I knew what to do about this, because abortion is one of the ugliest aspects of Western culture, and something that I think will eventually bring us down.
37 posted on 08/29/2003 10:02:33 PM PDT by Agnes Heep
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Out in the Panhandle and elsewhere in Florida there are a lot of men that need killin' but they ain't no babies that need killin'.
38 posted on 08/29/2003 10:48:55 PM PDT by nathanbedford (qqua)
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To: yonif
Two wrongs never make a right. Pro life is pro life. Period.
40 posted on 08/29/2003 11:04:28 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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Two wrongs don't make a right. The abortionist doctor was committing murder, but so was Hill. They're both guilty of the same crime. While I strongly oppose abortion, I could never countenance Hill's actions.

I believe Florida is right to execute him.
43 posted on 08/30/2003 2:50:00 AM PDT by No Dems 2004
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. . . and one last thing - these types of people, like Hill, do nothing to promote the pro-life movement, but make it look like it's a radical, psycho movement that's a problem all in itself.

He's only making it harder for the very people he purports to protect and support.
44 posted on 08/30/2003 2:53:32 AM PDT by No Dems 2004
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Does anyone find it interesting that the only organization (at leat, the only one I've heard of) that has come out in oppostion to executing Hill is Planned Parenthood, the pro-eugenics organization that makes big bucks aborting children?
60 posted on 09/02/2003 2:09:29 PM PDT by TBP
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I don't believe that this man is a martyr in any sense of the word. What he did was wrong. He did the same thing that he was against. He took a life that was not his to take. I understand the passion that he felt but I feel that his and that of others who have done the same thing was misdirected. I pray that he will seek and find the forgiveness offered to him by Jesus. I pray that the family of the ones he killed will be able to forgive him as well.
67 posted on 09/02/2003 3:27:59 PM PDT by PleaseNoMore
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"In a very significant way, it's a sad day," said Gloria Feldt, president of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America. "It's sad that people like Paul Hill would murder in the name of life."

Yes, and it's a sad day any day when "Planned (un)Parenthood" murders a helpless little baby in his mother's womb, too, Gloria.

Ted Kascinski murdered people also, and he somehow got the sympathy of all the intelengensia as being just "tragically misguided." I fail to see why Kascinski should have been treated with any more leniency than Paul Hill.

68 posted on 09/02/2003 4:00:54 PM PDT by nightdriver
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